Not really , He is being defensive and combative because most comments are insinuating he’s a fool for buying an XVX , worse liking the WA sound..
Sad really ...!
Sad really ...!
Wilson Alexx V vs Rockport Orion
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He starts himself by saying that the XVX and also the larger Magicos are way better then anything else out there.
And that that is backed up by the audio press
And then complains when he gets feedback on a forum .
Welcome to WBF Charles, may be you can try the WA forum Instead .
I didnt say i dont like WA , i do like certain models.
Same with RP , im not a fan of the lower priced models.
I basically only like the Lyra.
May be i really like the Orion in a good set up dont know .
And that that is backed up by the audio press
And then complains when he gets feedback on a forum .
Welcome to WBF Charles, may be you can try the WA forum Instead .
I didnt say i dont like WA , i do like certain models.
Same with RP , im not a fan of the lower priced models.
I basically only like the Lyra.
May be i really like the Orion in a good set up dont know .
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Same with Rockport Arrakis...I remember reading Andy Payor also preferred the narrow baffle and also found the coupling in the bass with the room was different when the woofers are side firing.
The best example was the Audiophysic Virgo in a small room where the bass was boosted by the close walls down to 25hz it sounded divine. In large rooms the bass was barely noticeable. The distance from the wall is the magic with side-mounted bass drivers. A low bass coupling makes it impossible to locate it, your front driver midwoofer must go down low my opinion.
Huh? I haven’t heard Asian speakers..do you have brands in mind?
I would add to my earlier post by saying that the Rockports I have heard, in contrast to big Wilsons, are to my ears paragons of coherence and musicality… )
Well I did not mean to imply either. I like the XVX and he bought what he liked most so good for him. My objection is his aggressive explicit comments that those who disagree with him are uninformed “novices”. The whole point of this forum is for people to share their subjective opinions about audio. Each of us seeks something slightly different so we make different choices based upon the design philosophy of the makers. Each choice will come with a set of compromises which we accept when we buy a speaker. It’s ok to point them out when explaining why we made a different choice. In fact that is the most nuanced appropriate way to explain your own choice. Stating childishly simplistic comments like “not in the same league “ and name calling are not thoughtful ways of doing so and gives no one here any basis for further learning.
I never heard a good sounding speaker with a side firing bass. Absolutely a wrong choice IMHO.
I have heard the Lyra many times now and would reverse just about everything you said in favor of the XVX! There is a best for you or for me but no universal truth in speaker preference. I prefer my Alexx to Lyra without it even being close ... again, totally subjective.
Enjoy!
George
I find it quite interesting that in this entire discussion I am the one of the few who recognizes that the XVX is not only the speaker of the decade but this half of the century, and Wilson is by far the most prestigious well thought off loudspeaker company of the last 30 years. it's their flagship statement speaker. I believe that I meant that your posts were novice, not the persons. You are not novices. Jimi you are quite negative toward the XVX as is Elliott and most of the rest of you. It seems your are on a mission to condemn it. I would be extremely surprised if you found anything other than to condemn it by faint praise. Why waste your time since I already know how you feel. As far as my knowledge of the high end is concerned, somehow I have managed to wind up my 50 plus years of high end with an XVX/Thor MC2.1KW An, 1.25KW (2), MC3500 (2), MCD12000 An, and C-12000 An, exactly the gear I wanted and highly respect. This whole thread began with the novice assertion that the Lyra was "better" than an XVX as verified by anecdotal evidence. This is and remains a ridiculous assertion. A forum like WBF is well established and has well established members that know each other and gang up on new folks who totally disagree with them. They are surprised and offended when someone new stands their ground as I have. But I am afraid that you have chosen a losing position, by asserting that the Lyra is a "better" speaker than an XVX. It's just not, and no amount of trips to hear it, etc., can change this fact.
You all haven't addressed the Lyra's advanced age, its small size, the discontinuation of the Arrakis in favor of a much smaller speaker that is almost a decade old. You haven't addressed RH's opinion of it or MF's other than to brush them aside. You haven't addressed MC extensive review and numerous other extremely positive glowing reviews. And you have dismissed me and my opinion that it is hands down the finest loudspeaker that I have heard. So by all means go hear the XVX in the million plus dollar setup. It won't change your mind but just give you more ammunition to condemn it. You have chosen a weak horse to race in your assertion that the Lyra is a "better" speaker than an XVX.
You all haven't addressed the Lyra's advanced age, its small size, the discontinuation of the Arrakis in favor of a much smaller speaker that is almost a decade old. You haven't addressed RH's opinion of it or MF's other than to brush them aside. You haven't addressed MC extensive review and numerous other extremely positive glowing reviews. And you have dismissed me and my opinion that it is hands down the finest loudspeaker that I have heard. So by all means go hear the XVX in the million plus dollar setup. It won't change your mind but just give you more ammunition to condemn it. You have chosen a weak horse to race in your assertion that the Lyra is a "better" speaker than an XVX.
I don't think Elliot is being negative on WA products , he was a WA dealer for years many moons back ..
For the third time I LIKE the XVX. I spent hours listening to it. I’m about to dedicate a weekend to hearing them under optimal conditions halfway across the country. I'm quite certain you have never heard your speakers at anywhere close to their potential. There is no such thing as a “ better” speaker in all aspects for all people. I personally, because of my particular tastes, prefer the Lyra and the Orion. I’m not saying they are better for you or for others. It’s perfectly ok to disagree with me. There is also no measure of “prestige” and if there were it would be truly sad to make a purchase to attain some kind of prestige from it. There are no “ horses” in this. BTW this thread “started” comparing XVX to Orion and people weighed in. Calling their opinions “ ridiculous” is childish. No one here is on a “mission” to discredit Wilson Audio. They are a first rate outfit and don’t need you to defend them. Do yourself a favor and instead of building a wall around your current opinions go and spend as much time as possible listening to top notch alternatives to challenge your assertions and maybe just maybe learn something in the process. Maybe it reinforces your opinions. Maybe it leads to something new. Who knows. Big Planars? Horns? I’ve said enough on this thread. I’m out. Peace
Yes, Wilson Audio is a brilliant company. That is a different point.
You are digging yourself into a deeper and evermore ludicrous and intellectually indefensible hole. You are highlighting more and more starkly your lack of understanding of the nature of this hobby.
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Having read this entire thread, I don’t see anyone attacking Wilson Audio or any of their products. The worst I’ve read might be my post that I just don’t like them but truly enjoy Rockport Technology speakers. But, I also said I have friends who love WA and more power to them. Don’t get defensive and enjoy listening to music you enjoy on the gear that makes your heart go “aah.”
Charles S .... this is how the thread started
Not ..... true lol .
Lets just stay on topic , Orion versus Alexx V.
Its a difficult one , i have heard both models but just under show conditions .
( incl the XVX by the way lol )
I have multiple times and by the way if you like music and have a Million to spend ..... do yourself a favour and listen to this .( not reviewers / magazines)
That's pretty harsh -- you're coming across as a forum owner driving someone away. He's already been beaten up for his views. Charles likes his speakers and their manufacturer although he should not expect others to agree with him about those or his opinion on Rockport. He believes in different audio gods. I say just let him be. Whatever it may be, his understanding of "the nature of this hobby" is just that. I don't think anyone has ownership of "the nature of this hobby."
Elliot G.
Industry Expert
I di d not say anything negative about the product or the company only that the posters reasons are all marketing , review clips and boiler plate . None of these reasons mean it is better than everything and some pinnacle of audio nirvana. You like it you buy it and hopefully you enjoy it period. I don't need to be convinced but it sounds like he does.
I do agree with Charles that the XVX is a really special loudspeaker. I believe it exceeds the WAMM in many ways as well due to the more refined drivers at this point in time.
I have lived with the Alexia Vs for over a year now and have experience with several Alexx V systems. I actually prefer both over the Rockport Orion which is also a really special speaker. But Wilson has imho a huge advantage in one area; the ability to use Wilson’s nomograph technology to move the drivers to precisely dial in the speaker to the listener position and ear height is very valuable for creating realism. As much as I love my Alexia Vs, I find the Alexx V are even better and present a bigger image. My preference on midrange and tweeter is also more Wilson over Rockport.
But I believe at this point, we are arguing Rolls Royce versus Bentley or McLaren versus Porsche GT. You can’t go wrong either way and the best answer here is to experience both in as close a similar setup as possible and decide for yourself.
I have lived with the Alexia Vs for over a year now and have experience with several Alexx V systems. I actually prefer both over the Rockport Orion which is also a really special speaker. But Wilson has imho a huge advantage in one area; the ability to use Wilson’s nomograph technology to move the drivers to precisely dial in the speaker to the listener position and ear height is very valuable for creating realism. As much as I love my Alexia Vs, I find the Alexx V are even better and present a bigger image. My preference on midrange and tweeter is also more Wilson over Rockport.
But I believe at this point, we are arguing Rolls Royce versus Bentley or McLaren versus Porsche GT. You can’t go wrong either way and the best answer here is to experience both in as close a similar setup as possible and decide for yourself.
Subwoofers are often used to define low level information and that improves the soundstage. Use of subwoofers doesn’t negate the XVX Chronosonic being a full range speaker.
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