Good mid-price audiophile switches

[pjwd]

Quick update: continue to be impressed with EdisCreation Silent OCXO switch. I came back from work tonight, after leaving the switch on full time, and I can say my system never sounded so good. So I put my money where my mouth is, and ordered a second one, this time the “extreme“ version.

When it arrives in a few weeks, I will put the Extreme where my audio is, and will “relegate” my Standard switch to replace the main switch that feeds my HT stuff and the new Extreme switch

I just ordered the fancy one based on your excellent report thank you.
Will be very interested to see what the number 2 does for your HT setup .. hadn't occured to me

Phil

 

[_Alchemist_]

Would anyone here be so kind as to explain, in fairly simple terms, why one of these switches have a bearing on sound quality? First let me say that I do believe they do. I have an Aurender N20. From my Xfinity router I have CAT8 in a short run to a 16 port Netgear switch. From that switch a fairly long run of CAT8 to the music room. I first went directly into the N20. When I added the EtherREGEN and upgraded power supply I got an improvement. When I upgraded to a Sablon Ethernet cable, an improvement. Based on the comments of someone here I upgraded the power supply to a Farad Super3, further improvement. But if I understand correctly the Aurender buffers the Internet stream and plays from the HD. If the stream from the Internet is being buffered how does the switch affect the audio signal? Sorry if this is a moronic question.

 

[_Alchemist_]

What are the public prices for both versions of this switch?

 

[thyname]

What are the public prices for both versions of this switch?

Prices are in Hong Kong dollars at their domestic site: https://nandeaudio.com/product/silent-switch-ocxo/

Scroll down and toggle between Standard and Extreme. Add roughly $30 (USD) for shipping

 

[timztunz]

Very informative. Thank you.

 

[thyname]

First review of Innuos PhoenixNET. It’s in German, so Google translate:

https://translate.google.com/transl...qQzfRR9haz1rcDc-LYTgRrv-WLMK1L1ZCaPz-MlMkgedk

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P.S. I realized the link above may not work. Here is the original: https://www.fairaudio.de/test/innuo...qQzfRR9haz1rcDc-LYTgRrv-WLMK1L1ZCaPz-MlMkgedk

 

[Forte]

Some listeners a while back discovered that re-clocking with a really good clock can undo some of the harm that cheap clocks had done further upstream. Successive re-clocking can help further providing the best clock is used closest to the streamer as a lesser clock can reverse some of the gains.

I honestly don’t know it this is accurate but it would maybe explain some of this madness. I think there’s more to it though as the better switches take care to do less harm as far as passing noise on to our gear.

This is hard to explain and I am not qualified to do so but take with a grain of salt.
From my humble testing, it is more cost effective to upgrade (and/or get more) switches than spend top coin$ on a ultra high end ethernet cable or swapping mid level to ultra high end cables.
After adding/trying a few mid-fi switches, you may think you just upgraded your dac (or whole system and/or had your ears cleaned).
If you are able to test or borrow some switches, I encourage you to do so.
I even tried my used Apple Airport Express (with wifi turned off) as a "switch" straight from router and that improved my setup. Bizarre.

 

[thyname]

it is more cost effective to upgrade (and/or get more) switches than spend top coin$ on a ultra high end ethernet cable

I agree with you. Exactly my experience.

 

[CKKeung]

lso,

Quick update: continue to be impressed with EdisCreation Silent OCXO switch. I came back from work tonight, after leaving the switch on full time, and I can say my system never sounded so good. So I put my money where my mouth is, and ordered a second one, this time the “extreme“ version.

When it arrives in a few weeks, I will put the Extreme where my audio is, and will “relegate” my Standard switch to replace the main switch that feeds my HT stuff and the new Extreme switch

Hi thyname,
Congratulations!

Please note that the internal components of the Extreme Version take much much longer time to run-in. Pls be patient.

Also, my friends and I don't like the Bybee filters inside the Extreme version.
We asked Edison to omit it when ordering so this "simplified Extreme Version" is cheaper.
(But this is our personal preference only.)

 

[Forte]

CK, is the EdisSS isolate ground switch “audibly” noticeable?

 

[CKKeung]

CK, is the EdisSS isolate ground switch “audibly” noticeable?

Of course.

 

[Forte]

Lol. Why’d I ask.

 

[pjwd]

lso,

Hi thyname,
Congratulations!

Please note that the internal components of the Extreme Version take much much longer time to run-in. Pls be patient.

Also, my friends and I don't like the Bybee filters inside the Extreme version.
We asked Edison to omit it when ordering so this "simplified Extreme Version" is cheaper.
(But this is our personal preference only.)

Hi CK
I just ordered the extreme ... thanks for starting this thread...did you listen with and without bybee .. my experience is that bybee devices worked OK in power supply side
Phil

 

[CKKeung]

It's my personal preference only.
To my wooden ears, I think it throws the baby out with the bath water.

 

[pjwd]

It's my personal preference only.
To my wooden ears, I think it throws the baby out with the bath water.

Ha ... thats a new one for the audiophile dictionary .. pretty sure I've done that a few times

P

 

[kennyb123]

This is hard to explain and I am not qualified to do so but take with a grain of salt.
From my humble testing, it is more cost effective to upgrade (and/or get more) switches than spend top coin$ on a ultra high end ethernet cable or swapping mid level to ultra high end cables.
After adding/trying a few mid-fi switches, you may think you just upgraded your dac (or whole system and/or had your ears cleaned).
If you are able to test or borrow some switches, I encourage you to do so.
I even tried my used Apple Airport Express (with wifi turned off) as a "switch" straight from router and that improved my setup. Bizarre.

That hurts my head to think about. LOL

Good advice - thanks.

 

[Stereophonic]

lso,

Hi thyname,
Congratulations!

Please note that the internal components of the Extreme Version take much much longer time to run-in. Pls be patient.

Also, my friends and I don't like the Bybee filters inside the Extreme version.
We asked Edison to omit it when ordering so this "simplified Extreme Version" is cheaper.
(But this is our personal preference only.)

Hi CK.
Could you please explain your opinion about Edison’s switch by itself and vs others?
What don’t you like about ByBee filters?
Sound differences between grounded vs isolated?
Regards.

 

[CKKeung]

Hi CK.
Could you please explain your opinion about Edison’s switch by itself and vs others?
What don’t you like about ByBee filters?
Sound differences between grounded vs isolated?
Regards.

Selling at around usd800 only, but with proprietary circuit boards, internal linear powersupply & ocxo module, the Edison switch is a steal for sure.
Sonic-performance-wise it can fight with many of the more expensive audio switches and right now if any friends in HK ask me for advice on mid-price audiophile switches, I will recommend Edison switch to them.

Concerning Bybee filters, I think it creates so much quietness that some airliness and dynamics are gone.
This can be diff if the mains is very noisy.
My personal preference only.

 

[slai]

Have anyone done any comparison between N&E Audio Silent Switch OCXO and the AFTERDARK Project ClayX Giesenmann Network Switch X OCXO 10M Master Clock?

 

[Magnuska]

Have anyone done any comparison between N&E Audio Silent Switch OCXO and the AFTERDARK Project ClayX Giesenmann Network Switch X OCXO 10M Master Clock?

Not exactly but I have an etherRegen with Afterdark audiostyle OCXO clock. Both powered with Sean Jacobs DC-3 and DC-2. The external clock feeding the eR is a great upgrade. Wonder how close this would come the Innuos Phoenix Net or edisoncreation switch. Obviously the quality of clocks have a big impact.