Caesar, how do you image Alon Wolf and others evaluate the sound of their speakers during the prototype stage through to the first production model? Do they listen to music at all? And if so, do they only listen to audiophile recordings? Some photos show the source gear on their rack in their factory listening room. Rarely have I seen a R2R deck or a turntable in such photos. I wonder what the dealers and audio show hosts use when demonstrating these speakers to potential customers.
Caesar, how do you image Alon Wolf and others evaluate the sound of their speakers during the prototype stage through to the first production model? Do they listen to music at all? And if so, do they only listen to audiophile recordings? Some photos show the source gear on their rack in their factory listening room. Rarely have I seen a R2R deck or a turntable in such photos. I wonder what the dealers and audio show hosts use when demonstrating these speakers to potential customers.
And then his wife tells him what not to get... so then he ungets it. It’s a vicious cycle.His agent tells him what to get AND gets it for him
[QUOTE="microstrip, post: 655102, member: 129"]You have a point here - this thread is coming ahead of its time, no one has listened to the M9 and the speaker is not even available for listening. But considering the experience of the WAMM and the Magico currriculum I feel we have good reasons to have expectations and the thread is bringing us information. As I often say, audio forums are top for information and entertainment.
But please feel free to publish a list of speakers easily available with good distribution and support that you feel they surpass the WAMM at one then tenth the price, particularly if they are a great match with the Lamm ML3 ...[/QUOTE]
Hi Microstrip,
How many non-Wilson people became converts to Wilson after hearing the Wamm? How many people do you think Magico will convert? Aside for the clueless, silly-rich guy who will write a check based on exclusivity alone, chances are people have developed a particular taste, and this speaker will be heaven for those who already enjoy the taste and hell for those who already hate he magico sound.
But please feel free to publish a list of speakers easily available with good distribution and support that you feel they surpass the WAMM at one then tenth the price, particularly if they are a great match with the Lamm ML3 ...
[/QUOTE]Hi Microstrip,
How many non-Wilson people became converts to Wilson after hearing the Wamm? How many people do you think Magico will convert? Aside for the clueless, silly-rich guy who will write a check based on exclusivity alone, chances are people have developed a particular taste, and this speaker will be heaven for those who already enjoy the taste and hell for those who already hate he magico sound.
That's a general misconception Graham, IME experience the owners of such systems are among the most passionate audiophiles and their aim is perfection. Generally they go way beyond most of us here and they try very hard to achieve perfection for the love music and the hobby. Unfortunately sometimes they're let down by the so called professionals that they work with who abuse this passion for personal again. The other misconception is that such individuals are inaccessible, it's not true, the few that I know are actually quite hospitable and are happy to open up their listening rooms to fellow audiophiles and share a moment. This is one of the friendliest hobbies I know of and you don't come across any interior designers with big budgets either, that's H/T, not high end. I keep repeating this, the social side of this hobby is the greatest, way beyond the equipment.
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Hi Peter,
Great points. I think you have a better relationship with them than I do. Maybe you can ask.
Better yet, can Alon Wolf and/ or his designer (Meir Yamaim?) be invited to this forum to explain their design process? I have no doubt members here will treat them with respect. (And I strongly believe it has been a mistake for Wolf not to have actively participate in this forum through the years.)
I wrote "easily available with good distribution and support ", just what a normal audiophile community can expect, not WAF or exclusivity. IMHO absence of the criteria I referred is responsible for many negatives experiences in WBF.
Anyway why should sonics be incompatible with the criteria I referred? Should we think that optimization of sonics implies unobtainium and one man companies with direct distribution?
Interesting point, indeed. But I believe we all know so many musicians, band leaders, and music teachers, people who listen to real music all day, never agreeing on anything either. But those folks likely do have more confidence in their "imagination of real" than an audiophile on an internet forum or on audiogon.
Convivial fellowship among like minded hobbyists. I have experienced much of this in my own little, more modest, group of audio friends. And I have heard your wonderful turntable creation up at Rockitman's old place, simply because I contacted him and requested a visit. These are the special moments.
Hi Peter,
Great points. I think you have a better relationship with them than I do. Maybe you can ask.
Better yet, can Alon Wolf and/ or his designer (Meir Yamaim?) be invited to this forum to explain their design process? I have no doubt members here will treat them with respect. (And I strongly believe it has been a mistake for Wolf not to have actively participate in this forum through the years.)
Thank you Caesar,
Years ago I was led to believe that Mr. Wolf was going to join this forum. I agreed to host the Magico sub section of the forum with that in mind. It never happened.
After reading the tone from some regular members here, and seeing the direction of this thread about what might well be his dream creation, I do not see Mr. Wolf joining an time soon. My questions to you about their demo music sources were rhetorical. I already know the answers.
No of course it's not incompatible. I am just saying be clear and honest of objectives.
The advantage of buying from small manufacturers is there is low to zero distribution and marketing margin being paid for, so you know exactly what the cost is going into, and it's bespoke. They can use a lot of quality drivers, for example, that the bigger manufacturer cannot use because he needs a current production component with lots of volume and warranty to produce many consistent units and service many customers. This is a valid concern for the manufacturer, but not for the end user
Also, like Caesar mentioned, you are either a Wilson lover or not already, before you get to the WAMM. So if you think the XLF is better than a vintage tannoy, it will be very difficult to convince you that vintage tannoy is better than the WAMM. The opposite will be true too.
As far as I know. He seems happily ensconced in his lair enjoying the sounds of his wonderful system and doing whatever else he enjoys.
You mean like this highly tuned setup in a room surrounded by glass with marble floor and laptop transport lol.
Dude surely he has a turntable behind the wall.
Well it seems the owners like stone floors. Another “tasteful” and highly optimised setup lol
Perhaps we should spend a few minutes doing a proper search job before joking:
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