Neutral power amp recommendations?
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Please clarify. Are you saying MBL engineers are "lost" when they design their amplifiers and / or that you consider your amps to be more "neutral" than their product?
As an aside, I find it interesting that two competing manufacturers are apparently criticizing MBL on this thread. Am I mistaken? If true, I thought that was considered politically incorrect and unprofessional.
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if you want judge Halcro or any other amplifier you should first find match speaker.
If I speak about MBL because of I listened to complete MBL system.
I do not say MBL is bright
I do not say MBL is dark
I do not say MBL is sweet or warm
I do not say MBL is cold
I do not say MBl is neutral
When I say MBL complete system is not very dynamic you can play a music and compare it to good horns.
Which is more live? Which is more effortless at peaks? Which has more energy? Which has faster attack ? Which has slower decay? Which has more scale?
When I say MBL harmonic/tone is not as linear/natural as dynamic drivers you can compare violin tone in MBL vs good dynamic driver paper speakers.
Which is more natural? Which is more emotional?
Which is more addictive?
Some believes audio is about taste, I disagree, I think the method of “comparison by contrast” will show you the truth about performance of MBL system.
If I speak about MBL because of I listened to complete MBL system.
I do not say MBL is bright
I do not say MBL is dark
I do not say MBL is sweet or warm
I do not say MBL is cold
I do not say MBl is neutral
When I say MBL complete system is not very dynamic you can play a music and compare it to good horns.
Which is more live? Which is more effortless at peaks? Which has more energy? Which has faster attack ? Which has slower decay? Which has more scale?
When I say MBL harmonic/tone is not as linear/natural as dynamic drivers you can compare violin tone in MBL vs good dynamic driver paper speakers.
Which is more natural? Which is more emotional?
Which is more addictive?
Some believes audio is about taste, I disagree, I think the method of “comparison by contrast” will show you the truth about performance of MBL system.
The air is probably different in Iran, but big MBL's are faster and more dynamic than any horn i have heard, with substantially better bass performances too. The radialstrahlers put a lot of energy into a room, and energize it in a whole different way than horns do. Not much can compete with X-tremes when it comes to shear impact, presence and dynamics and judging from peoples response at shows and their world wide sales success a lot of customers agree. TAD is a brand i have not even heard, so i cannot judge their sound.
Audio is about taste, from the audio components down to even the music that one listens to. For example: I consider rap and hip hop to be mindless noise rather than real music. Many like rap and hip hop.
Likewise, there are many audio brands that offer different different sounds and different features that will appeal to some but not to all. To each their own.
For me I'm all about sound and music. I recently upgraded my CD player for a better sounding one. Technology improves so quickly these days regarding digital. My previous CD player was 14 years old.
Most here no longer purchase CD players but instead prefer streaming though digital downloads using music servers or other devices.
No one system is right for everyone.
My 2 setups are right for me and I want for nothing regarding sound.
So it's okay if others don't like my 2 audio systems because my 2 systems aren't for everyone nor were they ever intended to be.
The MBL brand is a relative new comer to the home audio component world. MBL amps/components aren't right for me but that doesn't mean that their products aren't right for someone else.
Just my opinions.
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I heard MBL for the first time at a show 26 years ago, and was blown away, i love the sound. Love the sound of my Martin Logans too, slightly different presentation but same open spacious sound, very dynamic with the right amplifiers.Audio is about taste, from the audio components down to even the music that one listens to. For example: I consider rap and hip hop to be mindless noise rather than real music. Many like rap and hip hop.
Likewise, there are many audio brands that offer different different sounds and different features that will appeal to some but not to all. To each their own.
For me I'm all about sound and music. I recently upgraded my CD player for a better sounding one. Technology improves so quickly these days regarding digital. My previous CD player was 14 years old.
Most here no longer purchase CD players but instead prefer stream though digital downloads using music servers or other devices.
No one system is right for everyone.
My 2 setups are right for me and I want for nothing regarding sound.
So it's okay if others don't like my 2 audio systems because my 2 systems aren't for everyone nor were they ever intended to be.
The MBL brand is a relative new comer to the home audio component world. MBL amps/components aren't right for me but that doesn't mean that their products aren't right for someone else.
Just my opinions.
I said nothing about Halcro in my post. Please explain relevance to the basic premise of your comments.
How many MBL systems have you heard? Audio show events, dealer showrooms or owner home based systems? Please specify (if you recall) speaker models and accompanying hardware in venues auditioned.
How does your "method" account for the myriad of variables that collectively impact the overall system sound that you hear used to base your judgement of what is and what is not "truth"?
Do your comments officially represent TAD views, as suggested by your moniker, or are your posts based on your personal opinions?
And yes, many folks (the vast majority in my view) believe audio is about "taste" otherwise known as personal preferences and biases. Best.
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MBL was apparently founded in 1979. Magnepan and Audio Research, considered by many to be two of the first commercially viable manufacturers of hi end audio, started in 1969 and 1970 respectively. What is your definition of a "new comer"? Best.
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MBL make almost everything in-house, not at the local machine shop like so many other smaller brands. Their own CNC machines, drivers made by craftsmen designed, patented and hand assembled by themself, not outsourced to some commercial driver plant. A impressive operation.
I think you have no idea what dynamic means.
Let review the numbers
MBL system :
Amplifier : 1740w per channel 4ohm
Sensitivity 80db
Horn system :
Sensitivity 110db
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When you listen to different MBL speakers, you can notice that they lack the dynamic range that many finely crafted horn speakers offer. The horn speakers excel in speed and realism compared to MBL speakers. MBL speakers often have a metallic quality to their sound, which may not provide the most natural listening experience.
I've also observed that, most of the time, the lower bass drivers in MBL systems don't quite blend harmoniously with the rest of the audio setup.
I've also observed that, most of the time, the lower bass drivers in MBL systems don't quite blend harmoniously with the rest of the audio setup.
It would be handy to see what the impulse response of each system measures as.
And it would also be insightful to have measurements of the compression.
Without those metrics, then it is hard to objectively say anything about either system in a way that avoids getting each reader teleported to hear both systems.
Where do you get your number ? Made up, like all your other posts ! Sensitivity is not a direct expression of dynamics.
Yes, the Power of marketing tends to work on the untrained ears, especially those with less experience in the field who often make purchases based on visual appeal or the desire to impress their friends.And they still outsell all the stuff you peddle anyway !
Or people that buy what they like the sound of, not what the latest snake oil salesman is peddling this month !Yes, the Power of marketing tends to work on the untrained ears, especially those with less experience in the field who often make purchases based on visual appeal or the desire to impress their friends.
Only one that needs to be impressed is me, i am not selling anything to anyone, you guys are so transparent !
The influence of marketing power resonates deeply in the subconscious mind, Ego and visual aesthetics have a more vigorous play.Or people that buy what they like the sound of, not what the latest snake oil salesman is peddling this month !
I agree that personal preference, perception of natural sound, and interpretation of timbre and tonality vary among individuals.Yes i get why Aries Cerat is such a hard sell !
We're not discussing Aries Cerat. I suppose I struck a nerve when I commented on MBL and shared my personal opinion.
Aries Cerat practically sells itself once people hear it.
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