NORTH AMERICAN PUBLIC DEBUT OF TECHDAS AIR FORCE ZERO AND WILSON AUDIO MASTER CHRONOSONIC/SUBSONIC

[NorthStar]

This TT, I would never be able to own one. If someone here ever get that chance please share your musical impressions with various tonearms, carts, screws, phono wires, cart wires, tracking forces, etc.

As for measurements...she's immeasurable?

 

[Ron Resnick]

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I think Michael Fremer is spot on not making comments about the sound in such a brief encounter in an alien room and system. Good for Michael!!

Are we looking at the same report? Michael positively gushes over the sound (as did I), writing “all in attendance agree was the finest vinyl playback any of us have ever heard and it wasn't even close” among several positive comments about the sound of the turntable, the sound from the speakers and the sound of the system overall.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

Are we looking at the same report? Michael positively gushes over the sound (as did I), writing “all in attendance agree was the finest vinyl playback any of us have ever heard and it wasn't even close” among several positive comments about the sound of the turntable, the sound from the speakers and the sound of the system overall.

I haven’t even seen what he has written - I am merely responding to the comment from the other forum poster saying that he didn’t comment!!

 

[Al M.]

I haven’t even seen what he has written - I am merely responding to the comment from the other forum poster saying that he didn’t comment!!

It was a joke. British humor.

 

[Audiophile Bill]

It was a joke. British humor.

Sorry totally lost. British humour btw.

What is the joke?

 

[spiritofmusic]

Al, the AF0 is serious. Deadly serious. There's no place for humour here.

 

[Gregadd]

Nice job Ron ! And not a tube in sight anywhere

Nothing;s perfect.

 

[Al M.]

Al, the AF0 is serious. Deadly serious. There's no place for humour here.

LOL.

 

[Al M.]

Sorry totally lost. British humour btw.

Forgot, you are British yourself. And no, it's "humor" .

 

[microstrip]

https://www.analogplanet.com/conten...-audio-salon-first-impressions-stun-listeners

Nice report. Probably M. Fremer is not aware that the motor was also used in several non Studer European tape decks and including in an old turntable of the 50's, the italian rival of the EMT 927 - the Carrson 61!See http://www.stefanopasini.it/Carrson_Index-1.htm

I failed to get an old tape recorder with this beautiful motor for a ridiculous low sum in France sometime ago - shipping would be more expensive than the machine!

 

[Tango]

I haven’t even seen what he has written - I am merely responding to the comment from the other forum poster saying that he didn’t comment!!

In all fairness and If I remember correctly, when Bill made that comment Fremer's particular impression was not even posted on Analog Planet yet. Anyhow Bill was praising Mr.Fremer for not commenting directly about the sound of the tt when he was hearing the whole system. In Analog Planet Mr.Fremer also not commenting directly about the Techdas because he did use the words "The system's".

"Fitted with a Graham Elite/TechDAS cartridge and an Swedish Analog Technologies (SAT) CF-12/Lyra Atlas SL, listeners could choose between spaciousness and warmth (Graham/TechDAS) or master tape like transient speed and transparency (SAT/Lyra). All enjoyed equally both sounds, which were three-dimensional, tonally balanced, coherent and dynamically spectacular. The system's effortlessness was revelatory. Familiar records like Masterpieces by Ellington revealed heretofore hidden textural and tonal nuances, helping to produce a "you are there" experience that thrilled on both evenings all in attendance."

Yes, his writing implied the Techdas but also left with words implying the system also.

Shit I now become a lawyer for my friend Bill here. Let's move on and get back to the fairway. We have been hitting balls into woods and everywhere but fairway.

It is good to hear Fremer commented about tonal and textural nuances. Just this aspect alone can make the tt distinguished from the Airforce one.

Tang

 

[microstrip]

In all fairness and If I remember correctly, when Bill made that comment Fremer's particular impression was not even posted on Analog Planet yet. Anyhow Bill was praising Mr.Fremer for not commenting directly about the sound of the tt when he was hearing the whole system. In Analog Planet Mr.Fremer also not commenting directly about the Techdas because he did use the words "The system's".

"Fitted with a Graham Elite/TechDAS cartridge and an Swedish Analog Technologies (SAT) CF-12/Lyra Atlas SL, listeners could choose between spaciousness and warmth (Graham/TechDAS) or master tape like transient speed and transparency (SAT/Lyra). All enjoyed equally both sounds, which were three-dimensional, tonally balanced, coherent and dynamically spectacular. The system's effortlessness was revelatory. Familiar records like Masterpieces by Ellington revealed heretofore hidden textural and tonal nuances, helping to produce a "you are there" experience that thrilled on both evenings all in attendance."

Yes, his writing implied the Techdas but also left with words implying the system also.

Shit I now become a lawyer for my friend Bill here. Let's move on and get back to the fairway. We have been hitting balls into woods and everywhere but fairway.

It is good to hear Fremer commented about tonal and textural nuances. Just this aspect alone can make the tt distinguished from the Airforce one.

Tang

In all fairness Mr. Fremer is just one more opinion, nothing else, and clearly said :

"From the first record Mr. Nishikawa played to the final record I played, the crowd was treated to what all in attendance agree was the finest vinyl playback any of us have ever heard and it wasn't even close. This turntable stomped all over every other turntable I've ever heard including TechDAS's superb Air Force One Premium, and my Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn. (...)
Read more at https://www.analogplanet.com/conten...mpressions-stun-listeners#wpT7OCbPHevrrer8.99 "

Do we need more on Mr. Fremer opinion on the AF0?

For me the main point is that we have now have three idependent direct opinions on the AF0 in WBF from people who have large experience in vinyl and they seem to agree on the main point. All else are just speculations. And no, I am not buying an AF0 , fortunately I am not in the expensive vinyl league ...

 

[XV-1]

In all fairness Mr. Fremer is just one more opinion, nothing else, and clearly said :

"From the first record Mr. Nishikawa played to the final record I played, the crowd was treated to what all in attendance agree was the finest vinyl playback any of us have ever heard and it wasn't even close. This turntable stomped all over every other turntable I've ever heard including TechDAS's superb Air Force One Premium, and my Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn. (...)
Read more at https://www.analogplanet.com/conten...mpressions-stun-listeners#wpT7OCbPHevrrer8.99 "

Do we need more on Mr. Fremer opinion on the AF0?

For me the main point is that we have now have three idependent direct opinions on the AF0 in WBF from people who have large experience in vinyl and they seem to agree on the main point. All else are just speculations. And no, I am not buying an AF0 , fortunately I am not in the expensive vinyl league ...

I am sure the 600k speakers helped the 400k AFO just a little

 

[NorthStar]

... There's no place for humour here.

What, is this a joke?

 

[microstrip]

I am sure the 600k speakers helped the 400k AFO just a little

It is why it is relevant that two of the three people directly referred have experience with the 600k speakers ...

 

[NorthStar]

You dress the best table with the best silver cutlery and silk tablecloth and napkins and Roman crystal glasses and plates and bowls. Anything less you don't have the best TT to be fairly represented.

 

[XV-1]

It is why it is relevant that two of the three people directly referred have experience with the 600k speakers ...

If a 400k turntable did not sound the absolute best they have ever heard with 600k speakers, I would have been shocked.
This enables any perspective buyer lot's of confidence in buying either. Imagine how much better if they used the relentless amps

Not sure it's relevant or why we care what a few reviewers think of gear we cannot afford. Fun to think there is an absolute best thou.

 

[TLi]

The Munich Hiend Show will be in two week time. There will be multiple sessions of AF0 demonstrations which is open to public.

Some of us in this forum will attend and report the findings.

 

[microstrip]

(...) Not sure it's relevant or why we care what a few reviewers think of gear we cannot afford. Fun to think there is an absolute best thou.

Again, IMHO it is more than just "a few reviewers" - it is a few people we know well and often comment their findings. And irrespective of ownership or price debating something that pushes the state of the art of stereo sound reproduction is always a fascinating subject. This turntable was just a prototype - perhaps the final version will sound even better!

My biggest desire considering the AF0 is that sometime someone records some known LP tracks played in the AF0 in HiRez and shares them with WBF members - unfortunately people are eager to share and comment low quality digital audio but not high quality!

 

[spiritofmusic]

What, is this a joke?

No joke, NS. I don't even dare breathe.