NORTH AMERICAN PUBLIC DEBUT OF TECHDAS AIR FORCE ZERO AND WILSON AUDIO MASTER CHRONOSONIC/SUBSONIC

[Tango]

The choice of the ultimate tt in a no hold bar system is also influenced by the philosophy of a particular system or the way the owner of that system approach the construction of his system and room. We do have a friend here who decided to shoot for the best sound from vinyl by using a direct drive with a Sota active vibration mgt platforms. And it is taking him to another planet right now.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[Mike Lavigne]

The choice of the ultimate tt in a no hold bar system is also influenced by the philosophy of a particular system or the way the owner of that system approach the construction of his system and room. We do have a friend here who decided to shoot for the best sound from vinyl by using a direct drive with a Sota active vibration mgt platforms. And it is taking him to another planet right now.

Kind regards,
Tang

Dear Tang,

i appreciate the kind words referencing my efforts. and no doubt i agree there is more than one way to find ultimate performance.

i would only say that there is a difference between turntable performance unto itself, and vinyl performance in a whole system. i think it's possible and even likely that the most capable turntables won't always give us a result of the highest vinyl experience. turntables are very interactive systems and don't operate independently....however we might think differently.

and apart from taste issues, pieces are pieces.

and we also must consider that vinyl performance has to do with the combination of excellence in reading time and amplitude. so even if one finds the holy grail of solving perfect amplitude, maybe on the time side others are better (or have preferred advantages). so it's not so simple a question.

these are just thoughts i have thinking about what i'm hearing and what is going on.

best regards,

Mike

 

[NorthStar]

No joke, NS. I don't even dare breathe.

My question was humoros Marc. Feel free to breathe in all good health.

 

[NorthStar]

The Munich Hiend Show will be in two week time. There will be multiple sessions of AF0 demonstrations which is open to public.

Some of us in this forum will attend and report the findings.

That is very good, and hopefully a reviewer will buy one. It has to be a very high heeled audio reviewer...you know some?

 

[TLi]

That is very good, and hopefully a reviewer will buy one. It has to be a very high heeled audio reviewer...you know some?

Michael Fremer will have AF0 installed in his home to audition this fall. His report will be significant.

If he decides to buy AF0, that is the final judgement. I think he has a good chance to buy one.

 

[CKKeung]

If MF can get it for home review, his report will be most useful.

Yes, a reviewer buying a review sample, even if given reviewer discount, signifies his total commitment.

However the AF Zero is not expensive but very expensive so ...

 

[PeterA]

Fremer wrote that he made a major financial sacrifice to buy his Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn turntable and arm. It was to be his final table. It would be interesting to see if he does so again for a much more expensive table. I agree it would say a lot. Personally, I would not make such a decision without directly comparing it to the AS2000 with four arm capability. The smaller footprint and four arms would make the AS2000 a wonderful reviewing tool, IMO.

Do you think one gives any thought about long term service and parts availability when deciding to buy one of these complicated, extremely rare turntables? Or does that matter to these buyers?

 

[bonzo75]

Fremer wrote that he made a major financial sacrifice to buy his Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn turntable and arm. It was to be his final table. It would be interesting to see if he does so again for a much more expensive table. I agree it would say a lot. Personally, I would not make such a decision without directly comparing it to the AS2000 with four arm capability. The smaller footprint and four arms would make the AS2000 a wonderful reviewing tool, IMO.

Do you think one gives any thought about long term service and parts availability when deciding to buy one of these complicated, extremely rare turntables? Or does that matter to these buyers?

Yeah he was going to buy the Brinkmann Balance before the continuum deal came along

 

[TLi]

Fremer wrote that he made a major financial sacrifice to buy his Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn turntable and arm. It was to be his final table. It would be interesting to see if he does so again for a much more expensive table. I agree it would say a lot. Personally, I would not make such a decision without directly comparing it to the AS2000 with four arm capability. The smaller footprint and four arms would make the AS2000 a wonderful reviewing tool, IMO.

Do you think one gives any thought about long term service and parts availability when deciding to buy one of these complicated, extremely rare turntables? Or does that matter to these buyers?

If TechDAS is willing to lend a review AF0 sample to MF, AS can do the same. He can have a direct comparison between the two. That's going to be interesting.

 

[CKKeung]

If TechDAS is willing to lend a review AF0 sample to MF, AS can do the same. He can have a direct comparison between the two. That's going to be interesting.

Hello Thomas,
This is the best comment on these 12 pages!!!

 

[ddk]

Fremer wrote that he made a major financial sacrifice to buy his Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn turntable and arm. It was to be his final table. It would be interesting to see if he does so again for a much more expensive table. I agree it would say a lot. Personally, I would not make such a decision without directly comparing it to the AS2000 with four arm capability. The smaller footprint and four arms would make the AS2000 a wonderful reviewing tool, IMO.

Do you think one gives any thought about long term service and parts availability when deciding to buy one of these complicated, extremely rare turntables? Or does that matter to these buyers?

It depends Peter, some do and some don't but at least a couple decades of problem free performance should be a given and expected at this level, but doesn't always happen. Having dealt with old turntables and service issues my approach to AS2000 was none proprietary parts and user serviceability, that doesn't mean compromise in quality just simplicity for service and/or upgrades of electronics and pump. Mechanically AS2000 has no moving parts to wear out or break so barring some kind of very extreme catastrophe it should go on forever .

david

 

[Tango]

Do you think one gives any thought about long term service and parts availability when deciding to buy one of these complicated, extremely rare turntables? Or does that matter to these buyers?

Actually I did ask David what happens if he is not around. He said he would leave me his treasure map.

Tang

 

[microstrip]

(...) The smaller footprint and four arms would make the AS2000 a wonderful reviewing tool, IMO. (...)

IMHO a reviewing tool must be something available and accessible, that is known by a significant number of people. Neither the AS2000 or the AF0 seem to be in this class.

 

[Tango]

IMHO a reviewing tool must be something available and accessible, that is known by a significant number of people. Neither the AS2000 or the AF0 seem to be in this class.

You mean something like Linn?

 

[bonzo75]

IMHO a reviewing tool must be something available and accessible, that is known by a significant number of people. Neither the AS2000 or the AF0 seem to be in this class.

I agree with this, you need a common reference to relate.

 

[bonzo75]

You mean something like Linn?

Davey liked it better than techdas

 

[Tango]

There is a delete button Ked, Micro.

 

[microstrip]

You mean something like Linn?

Did you forget the smile? The Linn is considered one of the most "incompatible" turntables in the history of audio!

 

[Tango]

Did you forget the smile? The Linn is considered one of the most "incompatible" turntables in the history of audio!

My point is Linn is an easy accessible tt. Is it a good reviewing tool?

Tang

 

[Ron Resnick]

IMHO a reviewing tool must be something available and accessible, that is known by a significant number of people. Neither the AS2000 or the AF0 seem to be in this class.

I agree. If Fremer reviewed the AS-2000 and declared in his review that it is no longer available for sale he would be ridiculed for reviewing a turntable that no one can buy.