I'm not aware of any of our customers using it but if anybody has one we can see if we can add it.
Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème
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I'm not aware of any of our customers using it but if anybody has one we can see if we can add it.
USB\VID_20B1&PID_3089 according to the only ASIO driver available here
https://www.mola-mola.nl/assets/mola-mola-digin-driver-windows_v4.11.0.zip
https://www.mola-mola.nl/assets/mola-mola-digin-driver-windows_v4.11.0.zip
Code:
[_Models.ntamd64]
"XMOS USB Audio" = _Install_0,USB\VID_20B1&PID_3089
[_ServiceInst]
ServiceType = 1
StartType = 3
ErrorControl = 1
ServiceBinary = %12%\xmosusbaudiost3089.sys
HKR, ParametersDriver\License\vidpid\0000, vidpid, %REG_DWORD%, 0x20B13089 ; VID=0x20B1 PID=0x3089No reason to expect it will not work going from that! We do still need a complete USB descriptor dump though.
Hi MRIguy,
Just curios, do you own the Tambaqui dac/streamer/Roon end point?
I am wondering if you or someone that has the Tambaqui which is a dac/streamer/REP would be considering by-passing the network/streamer function of the Tambaqui? It seems like the beauty of the Tambaqui is it's all-in-one capability.
Only asking as I don't remember seeing anyone using an all-in-one dac streamer Roon end point device with an outboard server. Just curious of your experience with it all...thx
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Latest TAS driver installed...
I had a previous version of the TAS driver installed on 1/27. Today team Taiko installed (thank you!) the latest version referred to above (2/10 version I believe). I had tempered expectations, but after listening this past hour to songs I am familiar with, streaming thru Qobuz, wow. I don't want to sugar coat or go overboard, but it does seem like a cable or system upgrade (no break-in necessary).
There is an added buoyancy in the soundstage from individual instruments, a liquid clarity that is at once smooth and transparent/detailed, and further solidity to notes. On acoustical guitar, I am getting additional sound from the navel of the guitar (my apologies if I am butchering that description, I am not a musician!) but more from its belly if you will. I believe others mentioned a relaxed clarity, more sparkle on the sparkle, quicker transients, lighter on the feet...those are great descriptions. I am compelled to not cut short a song as I can do. It's really beautiful and another testament to the team.
@Rhapsody - on your question above, before the Pacific, I had been running the Simaudio 780D (all in one DAC streamer) w a Melco server. The DAC/streamer is fantastic but when I acquired the Extreme I bypassed its streamer and went directly into the 780D USB port. Not sure if analogous situation to the Tambaqui.
I had a previous version of the TAS driver installed on 1/27. Today team Taiko installed (thank you!) the latest version referred to above (2/10 version I believe). I had tempered expectations, but after listening this past hour to songs I am familiar with, streaming thru Qobuz, wow. I don't want to sugar coat or go overboard, but it does seem like a cable or system upgrade (no break-in necessary).
There is an added buoyancy in the soundstage from individual instruments, a liquid clarity that is at once smooth and transparent/detailed, and further solidity to notes. On acoustical guitar, I am getting additional sound from the navel of the guitar (my apologies if I am butchering that description, I am not a musician!) but more from its belly if you will. I believe others mentioned a relaxed clarity, more sparkle on the sparkle, quicker transients, lighter on the feet...those are great descriptions. I am compelled to not cut short a song as I can do. It's really beautiful and another testament to the team.
@Rhapsody - on your question above, before the Pacific, I had been running the Simaudio 780D (all in one DAC streamer) w a Melco server. The DAC/streamer is fantastic but when I acquired the Extreme I bypassed its streamer and went directly into the 780D USB port. Not sure if analogous situation to the Tambaqui.
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Bob,
I think it is simply a trend that manufacturers offer both USB and Ethernet inputs with their DACs like MM Tambaqui, Vitus Audio, Lampizator Pacific, Bricasti etc.
Matt
Hi Matt, I understand that. I have sold several of this type of dacs, but I have not seen someone that has a $10Kish dac that has ethernet input buy a $30K server to match with it. I was curious if that was the intent ie, did he like this dac so much that he wanted it vs. a stand alone dac with no ethernet/streamer/Roon Endpoint circuitry in the box.
I understand when someone already has a dac with ethernet input and then adds the server it's easy to by-pass the ethernet circuitry. MRI guy said I think that he was running a NUC right now, so I was wondering if he was considering the Tambaqui for future purchase with an Extreme even though it already had the the Ethernet input. Just curious. Nothing more than that.
I understand when someone already has a dac with ethernet input and then adds the server it's easy to by-pass the ethernet circuitry. MRI guy said I think that he was running a NUC right now, so I was wondering if he was considering the Tambaqui for future purchase with an Extreme even though it already had the the Ethernet input. Just curious. Nothing more than that.
Thx on the Simaudio. I was curious if people were doing that, nothing more than that.....thx
Hi Bob,
I fully get your point.
AFAIK, in the case of the Tambaqui and the Vitus DACs the ethernet input comes as standard.
So if someone likes the sound signature of these DACs and wants the best SQ there is no way than to add an Extreme and drive them via USB.
IIRC, from the data points of this thread every DAC connected to an Extreme via USB sounded superior to connected via Ethernet.
Matt
Thx Matt. I was actually trying to get this type of feedback for someone that is in this situation and is looking at an Extreme
Appreciate it...thx
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
Thx Matt. I was actually trying to get this type of feedback for someone that is in this situation and is looking at an Extreme
My pleasure Bob,
I always disliked this "endpoint" concept and an Ethernet DAC is nothing more than an endpoint plus DAC in one case.
With the existence of the Extreme this concept does not make any sense at all.
Matt
I'm missing something in this conversation. Why does inclusion of an ethernet input to a DAC imply some kind of less desirable "endpoint" concept and what are the detrimental consequences postulated for ethernet connectivity?
Both my dCS Vivaldi Upsampler and Vivaldi DAC have a variety of inputs and outputs, including ethernet, USB and AES/EBU and the Vivaldi series was introduced in 2012, well before Roon. Is the term "endpoint" being used in the sense that Roon uses it, e.g. a Roon endpoint, or in the more general sense of the last component in the digital chain?
FWIW, I tried connecting my Extreme to both the Upsampler and directly to the DAC by ethernet and USB. I prefer USB but the difference was so close that I could have been down to the relative superiority of one cable over the other. At present I have no ethernet cable approaching the sound quality of the Shunyata Research Omega USB I'm using, or I'd revisit this.
Thanks,
Steve Z
steve williams
Site Founder, Site Owner, Administrator
I opted to omit the Ethernet port in my Pacific because everything I read stated it was a source of extraneous noise on the network.
Thanks, Steve.
Couldn't you have just opted to not plug anything into it? Seems like it would be good to have the capability if desired later on, or as an included option to appeal to more potential buyers if you later decide to sell it.
Please don't take this as me being argumentative -- I am trying to understand what the perceived and real issues are with ethernet.
I understand that the initial promise of ethernet making upstream noise irrelevant turned out not to be remotely true, but the same could be said of USB, even so-called "galvanically" isolated USB, judging from the number of USB add-on devices that have proliferated in the market, all claiming to address USB issues (real or assumed).
Steve Z
Hi Steve,
a good summary about "endpoint" gave @romaz in his Extreme review here:
Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème
Romaz's posts on this WBF thread summarized and grouped by monoandstereo.com : https://www.monoandstereo.com/2020/02/taiko-audio-sgm-extreme-experience.html However, I am sure Romaz will share more on WBF in future! I hope they got @romaz ’s permission before taking his content from here and...
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dCS use the Stream Unlimited board in various variants, other manufacturers like CH Precision and Dartzeel use the Engineered board with the Ethernet input. In every case you have an ethernet connection and some sort of mini computer between your Extreme and the DAC like @romaz with the opticalrendu in his review.
So it seems to make a difference if you connect your DAC directly the the Extreme via USB or directly to a streaming board from a certain manufacturer and then via a network connection to the Extreme.
Matt
I don’t see why noise would be created by the Pacific with an Ethernet port if it wasn’t connected to the network. I have one and have never heard any noise.
My understanding is that a data stream received via eithernet needs to be further processed in order for the DAC to receive it. Thus, a DAC with an ethernet port is effectively an endpoint (processor) as opposed to a USB port which can directly feed the DAC.
Someone can feel free to correct me if this isn’t correct.
My understanding is that a data stream received via eithernet needs to be further processed in order for the DAC to receive it. Thus, a DAC with an ethernet port is effectively an endpoint (processor) as opposed to a USB port which can directly feed the DAC.
Someone can feel free to correct me if this isn’t correct.
As all things in audio go, this comment may be the case with the Extreme but it is a broad generalization if applied universally (not saying you where, just making a point.) Execution of the ethernet renderer in the dac has a profound impact on this analysis.
Local DAC master clock synchronization and elimination of all the detrimentals of usb "packets" are natural advantages to the renderer living in the DAC. In many ways moving back to USB is re-employing flawed technology designed for data transmission rather than music. Making any comment about a server's ability through usb or ethernet without accounting for the dac's design capabilities with the USB and particularly the ethernet renderer inputs is kinda folly.
The Ethernet module in the Pacific is essentially a modified raspberry pie running some custom OS. I’ve swapped out the SD card myself and all functions, including the WiFi, are there. Having active wifi inside your Pac chassis running constantly may not be the best for noise. Having said that, I have not gone to the lengths of connecting and shutting it down each time the Pac is powered up.
