I am going to add this here to avoid confusion around this discussion: None of this applies to the Extreme. If you run a device with built in wi-fi, like an Intel NUC it's a whole different equation, apples and oranges.
EDIT: Additionally using a wireless extender with the Extreme works just fine, but please do not think of it as a tweak to extract better sound quality.
Interesting. So are you saying that the Extreme is immune to the quality of the incoming ethernet data stream, like the forthcoming EtherRegen is supposed to be? The reason I ask is that in the above discussion wi-fi is only being used as an isolation strategy and not as a supply. The actual supply to the server would be ethernet cable. The function of the extender is to receive a 5GHz stream and output it through a wire.
Interesting. So are you saying that the Extreme is immune to the quality of the incoming ethernet data stream, like the forthcoming EtherRegen is supposed to be? The reason I ask is that in the above discussion wi-fi is only being used as an isolation strategy and not as a supply. The actual supply to the server would be ethernet cable.
I don’t have an Extreme (I use an Innuos Statement) but I’m guessing the principles are still the same. I have just spent the past 18 months trying to figure out the optimum way to get the very best results from local and remote streaming. (...)
I would risk that the objectives are the same, but the "principles" although looking similar in generic terms (minimizing noise) are very different in most other relevant aspects. I would also risk that most of your interesting experiences with the Innuos Statement are not relevant to Extreme users, and are strongly influenced by the Devialet matching - we can get excelllent sound quality from current Devialet's, but all matching is extremely critical with them.
Indeed fantastic hosts. We did not get around to listening to music that much as we ended up conversing most of the time. Although I never met Steve and Cathy before it felt like we had been friends for years. And Steve knows how to cook steak We simply had a great time.
What I should have added in my report is that I found it remarkable those large Alexandrias played that well in that size room powered by SE tubes. Steve told us he had hired an acoustician, I think her name was Bonnie, who obviously did a great job on that room. A few details I remember was the light fixtures are actually helmholz resonators. There is more to the curtains showing on the photos as they are lined with a specific fiber as a part of the total room design. Even the rack location and dimensions where taken into account in the design. I could not detect any obvious room issues, every instrument was rendered with it's full tonal palette intact and drop dead SE gorgeous to boot.
I would risk that the objectives are the same, but the "principles" although looking similar in generic terms (minimizing noise) are very different in most other relevant aspects. I would also risk that most of your interesting experiences with the Innuos Statement are not relevant to Extreme users, and are strongly influenced by the Devialet matching - we can get excelllent sound quality from current Devialet's, but all matching is extremely critical with them.
Hi microstrip,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. However I’m not sure I completely understand what you’re saying. Is it that you believe that its the Devialets that are most sensitive to the network improvements I made, rather than the Innuos Statement, and by extension, the Extreme? Or did you mean something different. its the word ‘matching’ that I’m not sure about. Matching what to or with what?
Thanks
Hi microstrip,
Thanks for taking the time to reply. However I’m not sure I completely understand what you’re saying. Is it that you believe that its the Devialets that are most sensitive to the network improvements I made, rather than the Innuos Statement, and by extension, the Extreme? Or did you mean something different. its the word ‘matching’ that I’m not sure about. Matching what to or with what?
Thanks
Mainly tow aspects - the Extreme design objectives and implementation are very different from the Statement and the Devialet is extremely sensitive to any changes in the environment - for example I have never seen such sensitivity to power cables in amplifiers. In some sense it is natural - alll its digital sections produce digital noise and the way we deal with this noise affects sound quality. I used the word "matching" in a broad sense just to mean you have to select all the ancillaries to complement your main equipment - surely according to your preferences, there are no established rules for that!
Mainly tow aspects - the Extreme design objectives and implementation are very different from the Statement and the Devialet is extremely sensitive to any changes in the environment - for example I have never seen such sensitivity to power cables in amplifiers. In some sense it is natural - alll its digital sections produce digital noise and the way we deal with this noise affects sound quality. I used the word "matching" in a broad sense just to mean you have to select all the ancillaries to complement your main equipment - surely according to your preferences, there are no established rules for that!
Hi microstrip, given that the Devialet‘s THD + Noise is an almost unmeasurable 0.0001% (10W) and 0.00025% (Full Power), I would respectfully disagree with your conclusion. However, a thread about the Taiko Extreme is not the place for this discussion, so I’ll leave it at that
Hi microstrip, given that the Devialet‘s THD + Noise is an almost unmeasurable 0.0001% (10W) and 0.00025% (Full Power), I would respectfully disagree with your conclusion. However, a thread about the Taiko Extreme is not the place for this discussion, so I’ll leave it at that
I would object that the first generation of Devialet already had an almost unmeasurable distortion + noise and sounded poor. As the current generation sounds great it seems there are some other obscure aspects other than % THD + noise that are of great importance in digital sound reproduction. Anyway, the friend who got my Devialet wants to bring it in my room to listen to the Extreme in it, it is much easier than carrying the Extreme (~45 kg! ) to his room!
Hi, new follower here in the Uk, the first demo unit is due here in the Uk soon but I am waiting to see if there is gonna be a streamer only version which would be more realistic for me with Qobuz and Roon integration not so worried about storage if it meant the streaming quality was better. Nice to meet you all
Hoping some of the new products aren't as heavy as the Extreme or Evo, having to lug around another 42kg piece of gear isn't ideal but would that compromise the quality of the product though even for just a streamer ?
Hmm, I don’t expect that to happen though you don’t need to move it much. Much of the weight is in the psu (traffo and chokes) plus the copper heatsinks and are fundamental to the design / performance.
btw you refer to new products in the plural however I am only aware of the ‘entry level’ server and there is no reason to believe that it will be smaller / lighter.
Hmm, I don’t expect that to happen though you don’t need to move it much. Much of the weight is in the psu (traffo and chokes) plus the copper heatsinks and are fundamental to the design / performance.
btw you refer to new products in the plural however I am only aware of the ‘entry level’ server and there is no reason to believe that it will be smaller / lighter.
My mistake reading back over previous posts the streamer only option isn't the new model due out in the near future but might be in the pipeline later on in 2020, if there is enough interest I guess.
Hi, new follower here in the Uk, the first demo unit is due here in the Uk soon but I am waiting to see if there is gonna be a streamer only version which would be more realistic for me with Qobuz and Roon integration not so worried about storage if it meant the streaming quality was better. Nice to meet you all
and also welcome to the interest in the Extreme server. i sure enjoy mine. it's the real deal. and the only thing better than the Extreme is the service and support from Emile and Ed from Taiko.
and also welcome to the interest in the Extreme server. i sure enjoy mine. it's the real deal.[/QUOTE
Thanks Mike, I can't wait to see what price the new model might be when released in the Uk as the Extreme is out of my price range at the minute having just upgraded my dac and speakers
