For XDMS users.
Try to switch for Alternative SQ with Discovery
Than switch to Roon and compare the change.
I must say the change to alternative in XDMS has very deep positive influence to Roon SQ presentation. I have no idea what parameters that changes but it is amazing. Bravo Taiko Team !
I'm guessing here, but there is the option for Discovery or Concert at the top. And in Settings, under Extreme Server/Player settings, there's something called Sound Profile, which gives one a Default and Alternative option. Someone more knowledgeable than me can perhaps explain exactly what the difference is between the two.
For XDMS users.
Try to switch for Alternative SQ with Discovery
Than switch to Roon and compare the change.
I must say the change to alternative in XDMS has very deep positive influence to Roon SQ presentation. I have no idea what parameters that changes but it is amazing. Bravo Taiko Team !
I can understand hearing a difference in Roon between Sound Profile Default and Sound Profile Alternative *if* this a a global setting that affects Extreme OS settings and allocations beyond the XDMS back-end program. That the Sound Profile settings are in a part of the Settings menu in XDMS called "Extreme Server/Player settings" would imply that these setting affect the Extreme and not just the XDMS music playing software.
However, Discovery and Concert are XDMS playback modes. If you use the XDMS toggle to select between XDMS and Roon, XDMS should be off (XDMS program not active on the Extreme) when Roon is selected and vice versa. Unless Discovery and Concert are somehow affecting the way the Extreme handles Roon loading a track or tracks during playback I'm not sure how an XDMS-specific setting could/would affect Roon.
For XDMS users.
Try to switch for Alternative SQ with Discovery
Than switch to Roon and compare the change.
I must say the change to alternative in XDMS has very deep positive influence to Roon SQ presentation. I have no idea what parameters that changes but it is amazing. Bravo Taiko Team !
I'm guessing here, but there is the option for Discovery or Concert at the top. And in Settings, under Extreme Server/Player settings, there's something called Sound Profile, which gives one a Default and Alternative option. Someone more knowledgeable than me can perhaps explain exactly what the difference is between the two.
Discovery Mode, fetches, process and plays with no caching. Concert Mode cahes the next track for shorter gaps, but user is not permitted to change the order of tracks in the queue
Default and Alternative sound profiles affect the amount of processing that is done before play
I honestly don't know. I recall Ed mentioning that it was not recommended to run Roon and XDMS at the same time, however that was some time ago. I inferred at the time that this was due to sound quality considerations and not that one of the two programs would break the other if run simultaneously.
In principle, why wouldn't it work? The requests to Roon for information not stored locally with Roon Core and requests via XDMS for information not stored with XDMS (music streaming services) are being routed via the same path. The Taiko router doesn't care what program the requests are coming from or going to.
I would suspect that you would have to go to the desktop of your Extreme and start Roon from there with XDMS already running (or vice versa), since the present XDMS control app only provides a toggle between XDMS and Roon.
I can understand hearing a difference in Roon between Sound Profile Default and Sound Profile Alternative *if* this a a global setting that affects Extreme OS settings and allocations beyond the XDMS back-end program. That the Sound Profile settings are in a part of the Settings menu in XDMS called "Extreme Server/Player settings" would imply that these setting affect the Extreme and not just the XDMS music playing software.
However, Discovery and Concert are XDMS playback modes. If you use the XDMS toggle to select between XDMS and Roon, XDMS should be off (XDMS program not active on the Extreme) when Roon is selected and vice versa. Unless Discovery and Concert are somehow affecting the way the Extreme handles Roon loading a track or tracks during playback I'm not sure how an XDMS-specific setting could/would affect Roon.
I never suspect , I always TEST .
Being scientist affects all my activities including music.
So if there is no hard evidence of positive result I stay quiet.
All you need to do it try it yourself.
My system might be very different from yours so it might not have effect .
I was surprised what it did to overall presentation so wanted others to try and report if this is something important or not.
As a sidenote.
ALL settings in Roon affect SQ when playing XDMS , so WHY to think it is not working other way around ?
I agree.
I was very surprised this has such a deep and positive effect.
This is to the point I cant listen with defult setting now.
We have very talented Taiko Team to look under this stone.
Everyone has very good trained ears here so I trust Everyone can contribute something including me.
I have never turned roon on since installing xdms. Your report that roon settings impact xdms sound quality is interesting, surprising (to me) and disturbing.
Assuming this is real, wouldn't that argue for uninstalling roon? Or getting to the bottom of this in another fashion?
I'm sure team taiko will resolve this issue.
I have never turned roon on since installing xdms. Your report that roon settings impact xdms sound quality is interesting, surprising (to me) and disturbing.
Assuming this is real, wouldn't that argue for uninstalling roon? Or getting to the bottom of this in another fashion?
I'm sure team taiko will resolve this issue.
More like streaming radio will never be added.. But -
If I could have complete control with only one os and not be dealing with software that's coded for everone, which, mostly, does not meet anyone's needs, I know what I'd do.
I have never turned roon on since installing xdms. Your report that roon settings impact xdms sound quality is interesting, surprising (to me) and disturbing.
Assuming this is real, wouldn't that argue for uninstalling roon? Or getting to the bottom of this in another fashion?
I'm sure team taiko will resolve this issue.
I think if you dont have Roon at all , your system might be performing better than mine
on the server level.
I hope uninstalling Roon will be the ultimate solution for most of us.
I did simmilar with Jplay long ago . Extreme was offered with Jplay in its early days.
After some time Roon with Taiko twicks was much better so uninstall was the best choice.
So in the end we all will have XDMS NSM only Or something else that Taiko Team will develop.
We are all in the same Taiko Train and we all love it !
Some prefer to look only what is inside the train And what dish was served today.
I like to look via window sometimes.
Isn’t Kris saying that the Roon program and it’s settings is influencing the sq of XDMS whether or not one is toggling back-and-forth between Roon and XDMS?
I think if you dont have Roon at all , your system might be performing better than mine
on the server level.
I hope uninstalling Roon will be the ultimate solution for most of us.
I did simmilar with Jplay long ago . Extreme was offered with Jplay in its early days.
After some time Roon with Taiko twicks was much better so uninstall was the best choice.
So in the end we all will have XDMS NSM only Or something else that Taiko Team will develop.
More like streaming radio will never be added.. But -
If I could have complete control with only one os and not be dealing with software that's coded for everone, which, mostly, does not meet anyone's needs, I know what I'd do.
There is an effect lingering in time, like @EuroDriver mentioned it has something to do with memory management. So if you switch between Roon / XDMS, change settings etc, it has an effect for an X amount of time. It’s astonishing what our ears can actually pick up.