The American Sound Turntable- Beyond's Minimalist!

[Argonaut]

Analysis, Mr. Spock:
It's a Cult, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, not as we know it;
It's a Cult, Jim, but not as we know it, not as we know it, Captain

 

[PeterA]

Lamm and horns and JBL subwoofers. That is a very DDK-influenced system.

I posted these photos in this thread because of the AS2000 turntable with all those SME 3012Rs on a triple wide Nothing Rack. The owner also progressed from a Micro Seiki SX8000II. The wood planks and new amp stands are pretty nice too, as well as the custom VAS crossover and matching ML2.2 amps. Tim spotted the LP on the floor too.

Imagine how many cool unknown systems are out there.

 

[thekong]

Very nice rack, unfortunately I couldn’t afford it! But if I could, I would custom order one with all stainless steel finish, as well as using the same side panels for the centre supports! I probably shouldn’t second guess the designer, but since I am just daydreaming, I suppose it is ok

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

Two more photos of the rest of the system. Pretty cool.

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doubt the speakers will live up to the rest tbh......

 

[leyenda]

interesting system and choice of woofer. I doubt if the ml2.2 can properly drive the tad woofer and why not use Klangfilm woofer instead. Also would love to know what system the owner used before settling on this.

 

[Lagonda]

That would be a Lamm front end with LP1 phonostage and the LL1.1 Signature linestage with the AS2000 on a Nothing rack and Petra Margoni.

And the rack can protect the Lamm gear from direct hits up to caliber 40 rounds, the TT can survive a nuclear blast all by itself !

 

[Lagonda]

doubt the speakers will live up to the rest tbh......

Yes probably just a pair of DIY speakers !

 

[bonzo75]

interesting system and choice of woofer. I doubt if the ml2.2 can properly drive the tad woofer and why not use Klangfilm woofer instead. Also would love to know what system the owner used before settling on this.

You think that is a TAD 2301 variation?

 

[bonzo75]

interesting system and choice of woofer. I doubt if the ml2.2 can properly drive the tad woofer and why not use Klangfilm woofer instead. Also would love to know what system the owner used before settling on this.

The tad 2301 comes as stock no mods needed. Klangfilm woofer will be a DIY woofer plus would require baffles

 

[tima]

The tad 2301 comes as stock no mods needed. Klangfilm woofer will be a DIY woofer plus would require baffles

It's a hybrid of TAD woofers and bass cabinet with Klangfilm horns.

 

[bonzo75]

It's a hybrid of TAD woofers and bass cabinet with Klangfilm horns.

Videos please

 

[Audiohertz2]

Two more photos of the rest of the system. Pretty cool.

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Is this active or passive Bi-amping

 

[leyenda]

You think that is a TAD 2301 variation?

yes and not a super easy drive, the tad 15 inch ime. the compression/horn seems to be the later version with siemens badge (not like tangs/mine), comes with eurodyn with trapezoid frame, the version before the three-woofer version. would be great to hear how this combo sound, it comes in a very compact package, not needing big baffle occupying the whole wall.

 

[bonzo75]

yes and not a super easy drive, the tad 15 inch ime. the compression/horn seems to be the later version with siemens badge (not like tangs/mine), comes with eurodyn with trapezoid frame, the version before the three-woofer version. would be great to hear how this combo sound, it comes in a very compact package, not needing big baffle occupying the whole wall.

The tad 2301 with the radial horn is stock and not expensive. Replacing with another woofer like klangfilm will create all sorts of issues to tackle and require baffle. If one was to get one woofer klangfilm might as well get Eurodyn.

 

[Argonaut]

 

[mtemur]

The tad 2301 comes as stock no mods needed. Klangfilm woofer will be a DIY woofer plus would require baffles

TAD (Exclusive) 2301 in stock form (not the modified one in the pictures) sounds very poor. I heard it couple of times and a couple of my friends also agree with me. On the other hand 3401 sounds excellent as well as S5. So, TAD (Exclusive) has the potential to make great speakers. I don’t know what went wrong with 2301.

 

[PeterA]

HIFI is all about resonance control .
TT speakers etc .
The music freq/ vibrations have to be able to to depart unaltered from a stable platform .
DDKs TT proves it Kharma exquisite proves it and Rockport Lyra are all completely stable (dead) structures/ platforms for music to shine on.
It makes time seemingly go slower with much more detail retrieval.

Ps i have a feeling a LAMM LL1.1 ML3 could certainly pull me over to the SET camp .
How ever all those tubes require a lot off maintenance i suppose .

I agree that resonance control is very important. But you don’t want dead. That’s the difference between the SME 3012R and V-12 tone arms.

 

[PeterA]

While DDK believes in stable and "dead" turntables, I don't think he believes in "dead" speaker cabinets, given that he favors vintage designs.

Stable but not dead turntables. That’s why the material, shape, and proportions are so important.

 

[thekong]

Hi Peter, I don’t quite understand here! I believe a turntable, at least in theory, should be dead (as opposed to dead sounding)! Ideally, a turntable should not have any vibration, resonance, sound signature of its own, and could block out all external vibrations, so only information embedded in the LP got passed on to the cartridge!

So when you stated “Stable but not dead turntables.”, you are referring to dead sounding, instead of physical dead / inert, correct?

 

[tima]

I can't imagine anyone saying they wanted a 'dead sounding' turntable. While everything vibrates and has a resonance frequency, a low noise turntable, yes. That's one of the primary duties of a turntable; the other is to spin the record at 33⅓ rpm.