Zero Distortion: Tango Time
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Hi Tang, glad you had Taylor Swift teaching you, I had the General playing me some very rare records. He is not as pretty as Taylor Swift, but he had a new artisan fidelity 301 next to the Vyger that some people here might fancy more. With a Reed 3p and Miyajima mono
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Dear G,
You amaze me how you can detect things. I am pretty much surprise of what I am hearing too. The wood panels are very effective. Adjusting the angle of my top and middle horns is also the key. We are ocean apart. I don't know how to share you my joy except giving you this video of Milstein.
Ked, if I were you I would just save the money not building a system and get an annual pass to listen at G. Btw it is a good gesture to bring some refreshment to the host.
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Yes. The Four Italian. That one.No, this is the verison I have on analogphonic! four Italian sonatas. Is it that one
The 301 sounded nice with mono, this is a standard Classic turntable company 301 in the Artisan plinth,the picture posted actually shows the standard strobed platter opposed to the Artisan platter and bearing and solid chassis. The Artisan motor unit belonging to the plinth was sent off for some adjustments and is soon to be returned hence the temporary use of the the CTC 301.
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Tang, this Milstein video is sounding excellent. Seems to have more energy, possibly because of the panels. The top end seems more distortion free. Maybe because you changed the angle of the horns it seems more focused and less like Peter with his eyes closed, not sure if that is a good thing or not yet possibly can make out with more videos.
Also, why are you showing only one tube in the video, like you are showing listeners the middle finger
It will be interesting to see if with a familiar recording any energy is lost due to the panels. Seems not at this stage
Also, why are you showing only one tube in the video, like you are showing listeners the middle finger
It will be interesting to see if with a familiar recording any energy is lost due to the panels. Seems not at this stage
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Great to know your ears are not muddied by all those listenings you've been doing with Altec woofers.
Yes, the panels replacing absorbers give a lot of lively energy. I used to do 4-5 clicks on Lamm volume knobs. Now 3 clicks. The wooden diffuser panels do clean up sound so well especially on highs making nuances more obvious. Together with realigning my horns, the staging, layering, the air around instruments just flood out from vinyl groove and into the room. I am not kidding you Ked every record just has its own story even much more than you have heard. Scrap what you have heard in my room before. I have been playing records you recommended the past few days, they are really really good records. Better than I thought they were. All of them were obvious you-are-there. Not a single one presented a they-are-here. Big orchestras are just fantastico. Another thing that you can easily feel is there is absolutely no sense of spot lighting on anything. Just a very open sound so effortlessly in front presenting different places.
Yes, the panels replacing absorbers give a lot of lively energy. I used to do 4-5 clicks on Lamm volume knobs. Now 3 clicks. The wooden diffuser panels do clean up sound so well especially on highs making nuances more obvious. Together with realigning my horns, the staging, layering, the air around instruments just flood out from vinyl groove and into the room. I am not kidding you Ked every record just has its own story even much more than you have heard. Scrap what you have heard in my room before. I have been playing records you recommended the past few days, they are really really good records. Better than I thought they were. All of them were obvious you-are-there. Not a single one presented a they-are-here. Big orchestras are just fantastico. Another thing that you can easily feel is there is absolutely no sense of spot lighting on anything. Just a very open sound so effortlessly in front presenting different places.
Great to know you are discovering the joys of sound diffusion ... The most fascinating article I read on it was written by Keith Yates in Stereophile some decades ago - I still keep my issue with King Kong in the cover. I still enjoy re-reading the whole article from time to time, I learned more from this article than from any formal review. http://keithyates.com/a-matter-of-diffusion/
For another masterpiece of audio literature read Keith Yates piece on audiophilia : http://keithyates.com/652/
Great to know your ears are not muddied by all those listenings you've been doing with Altec woofers.
Yes, the panels replacing absorbers give a lot of lively energy. I used to do 4-5 clicks on Lamm volume knobs. Now 3 clicks. The wooden diffuser panels do clean up sound so well especially on highs making nuances more obvious. Together with realigning my horns, the staging, layering, the air around instruments just flood out from vinyl groove and into the room. I am not kidding you Ked every record just has its own story even much more than you have heard. Scrap what you have heard in my room before. I have been playing records you recommended the past few days, they are really really good records. Better than I thought they were. All of them were obvious you-are-there. Not a single one presented a they-are-here. Big orchestras are just fantastico. Another thing that you can easily feel is there is absolutely no sense of spot lighting on anything. Just a very open sound so effortlessly in front presenting different places.
sounds like you don't need my 3D, you have your own.
3 years ago when i was tweaking my room i came to a juncture where i found that removing my RPG Skyline stack (between my speakers) on my front wall made things better. whereas previously it had helped. everything is context. happy to hear you are finding the room synergy and things are more real.
What brand of diffusers did you get Tang ?Great to know your ears are not muddied by all those listenings you've been doing with Altec woofers.
Yes, the panels replacing absorbers give a lot of lively energy. I used to do 4-5 clicks on Lamm volume knobs. Now 3 clicks. The wooden diffuser panels do clean up sound so well especially on highs making nuances more obvious. Together with realigning my horns, the staging, layering, the air around instruments just flood out from vinyl groove and into the room. I am not kidding you Ked every record just has its own story even much more than you have heard. Scrap what you have heard in my room before. I have been playing records you recommended the past few days, they are really really good records. Better than I thought they were. All of them were obvious you-are-there. Not a single one presented a they-are-here. Big orchestras are just fantastico. Another thing that you can easily feel is there is absolutely no sense of spot lighting on anything. Just a very open sound so effortlessly in front presenting different places.
I had my acoustician made them for me Lagonda san. I wanted them to be part of the room decoration not an add on. Here is a side angle.
I will keep doing what Mike did with his room. A bit here a bit there. I will experiment with his use of cloth on hard surface too. Expect to take a year or so. In the picture, behind the Studer I have a brown 3 meter tall absorber standing. I will eventually remove them (there is another one on opposite wall.) I experimented replacing with another diffuser, the sound did open up a bit more to the side.
The removal of absorbers made the room more lively and flood back my room with sonic info that was suck out. Using wood took the brittles off my highs. Cymbal crash, percussion instrument have better resolution, snap, as if you hear from tape vs vinyl.
However, the image, placement, the ease and effortlessness of sound actually are improved by realigning my horns. I was doing this with my tone arm guy first using pink noise playing left and right channel individually. This revealed that the noise beaming from the top and mid horn of my left and right speakers were one side higher one side lower. In other words I was hearing pink noise from left speaker directly beaming to my left ear but I had to stand up 7" to hear a direct pitch on my right ear. We then use laser beam to guide the horn position to my ears and adjusted them accordingly. I still need to fine tune the angle more because the damn horns are very heavy and I am short. I had to hold up my arms supporting each horn while my tone arm guy adjusting and locking up the angle from behind the horn. Too much for my back. We could have done it more precise if I used two more men and I was just sitting at my listening chair pointing finger what to do. I also toed out my right speaker to the same angle of left one. My room is L-shape. There is no equal wall on the right of my listening position. So Ralph my speaker designer toed in the right speaker to compensate when we initially made installation. Imo it sounds much better now and I just need to dial the volume knob of my right Lamm pre one notch higher. Simpler the better.
You look at the above picture closely you will see a green laser beam going across from the right gold plated TAD tweeter to the left. The one on the left is positioned below the beam. So this means my left speaker is standing a little lower than my right speaker. I don't know if this has any consequence to the sound but I will find way to adjust later. The speaker weighs like a ton.
Anyway, it is an on going process and does not cost much. It only costed me $100 to hire a tone arm guy but the pay off is much more than changing a cartridge.
Tang
Sir. You are the champion on that. I don't even need to hear it myself to believe it.sounds like you don't need my 3D, you have your own.
3 years ago when i was tweaking my room i came to a juncture where i found that removing my RPG Skyline stack (between my speakers) on my front wall made things better. whereas previously it had helped. everything is context. happy to hear you are finding the room synergy and things are more real.
enjoy the journey, my friend.
for me it was the most rewarding time of my music loving life. many discoveries and beautiful surprises. and as you say, it cost almost nothing. i still get a positive glow when i think about it.
for me it was the most rewarding time of my music loving life. many discoveries and beautiful surprises. and as you say, it cost almost nothing. i still get a positive glow when i think about it.
Dear Professor. It was you who triggered me with your comment using calibration tape a month ago. I played around with it and somehow led me to put on a test vinyl with pink noise thing. Then I started to detect things.
Dear Mike. You really should because it was all by you. Your room, the room you made yourself, is the accomplishment. Equipments? Anyone with money can buy. You should be praised more when people visit you instead of praising the system. That's my opinion. No brown-nosing.
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