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joelavrencikCMS

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Awhile ago on this thread I think, someone inquired about using the footers under a light weight chassis (Aqua DAC I believe). He thought it might be a good idea to put some weight on top of chassis. Joe answered that damping the chassis might be counterproductive, but was not sure.

Has there been any more testing on this?

I have an Atmasphere MP3 preamp that is overall pretty light but significantly heavier on one side. It seems intuitive to me that weighting the chassis would make sense for no other reason than distributing the weight to the footers more evenly.

What do you think, Joe? Thanks
Most of the test equipment I use for product development and testing are imbalanced with some cpoments on the heavy side and some on the lighter side. Sometimes I think there's a bit too much concern about weight, but the question is always relevamt and a good one to revisit.

I get concerned when a component is tiny and light, like an Ifi DAC. For this, i balance the DAC on 2 CS2M 1.0s. When I play Bluetooth through my phone, I put the phone on a single CS2M 1.5. There's a clearly audible improvement in sound in both cases.....it's overkill; certainly not a "gotta do".

I think the feet are fine for a 19lb component of substantial dimension like yours. I remain in the camp of please don’t use weights. The problem is the tendency for a certain "hardness" to develop after a week or two. Because of the delay in this audible evolution, there's a possibility we forget the root cause and take off on a tangent looking for a cure to a "new problem". Been there, done that, toured with the band, got kicked off the bus, found religion, went into rehab recovered and don't do it anymore. :)

I hope this helps.
 

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As I have these under a Laufer MP64 music server, would the feet settle in faster if I left the music server playing all the time (with the rest of the system turned off)?
 

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As I have these under a Laufer MP64 music server, would the feet settle in faster if I left the music server playing all the time (with the rest of the system turned off)?
My considered answer is, it couldn't hurt. I'm not trying to be flippant. I think the most "good " is done when the system is pushing mechanical waves into the room. But there is an equally important aspect of settling that occurs inside the componen when it is on and at rest..... circuits resonate and the feet are designed to address this. So, I'd say do it, although I want to be transparent about my belief that playing the system as the "gold standard".
 

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My considered answer is, it couldn't hurt. I'm not trying to be flippant. I think the most "good " is done when the system is pushing mechanical waves into the room. But there is an equally important aspect of settling that occurs inside the componen when it is on and at rest..... circuits resonate and the feet are designed to address this. So, I'd say do it, although I want to be transparent about my belief that playing the system as the "gold standard".
I totally agree with Joe. Settle in is best facilitated by playing music
 

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My experience so far. I purchased two sets of 4 of CS2M's.
* I ran them under my Canary Audio M500 amps for ~20 days. I only noticed a slight shift towards brighter, no other change. I returned to my Yamamoto Ebony PB-23/PB-20. I had tried IsoAcoustics Orea Bordeau before, but more bright. Perhaps I prefer a warmer sound.
* I have moved CS2M under my Laufer MP64, which had IsoAcoustics Orea Bordeau. I immediately noticed improved micro-details. On day 2... looking forward to improvements.
? Can these be used under a turntable? Has anyone tried? I plan to later.
? Can these be used under a phono preamp? Has anyone tried? I plan to later under my IO Sign.
I was wondering if you could help me with a segment of this post. I never question what we hear. We hear what we hear. But I do wonder WHY we hear it.

I checked the Canary site to look at the M500s. A very nice amplifier. No question about that. I couldn't see anything from the physics or materials side that raised a red flag. So, I hope you don't mind me asking upon what the amps are resting.

Could you please let me know. I thank you in advance.

Joe
 

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I was wondering if you could help me with a segment of this post. I never question what we hear. We hear what we hear. But I do wonder WHY we hear it.

I checked the Canary site to look at the M500s. A very nice amplifier. No question about that. I couldn't see anything from the physics or materials side that raised a red flag. So, I hope you don't mind me asking upon what the amps are resting.

Could you please let me know. I thank you in advance.

Joe
The rack is a metal frame TV stand i converted, added Track Audio - Solid Feet, and each amp has independent glass shelf with a 2" ApplePly/cork shelf (from audiophilevibrationcontrol.com) on top of that. You can see in the picture the MP64 with the CS2M next to the amp shelf.
 

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I found an amazing place in my system for CS2M 1.0 for Mac Mini (Mojo full upgrade). Mac only works with Roon Core, but CS have made a dramatic improvement in streaming.
ps. Tested with Stillpoints Ultra SS and SR SX mig.
 
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I found an amazing place in my system for CS2M 1.0 for Mac Mini (Mojo full upgrade). Mac only works with Roon Core, but CS have made a dramatic improvement in streaming.
ps. Tested with Stillpoints Ultra SS and SR SX mig.
I have a friend with a Mac Mini who has used CS feet under with remarkably good results
 

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The rack is a metal frame TV stand i converted, added Track Audio - Solid Feet, and each amp has independent glass shelf with a 2" ApplePly/cork shelf (from audiophilevibrationcontrol.com) on top of that. You can see in the picture the MP64 with the CS2M next to the amp shelf.
Can you please try something for me. Would you be so kind as to remove the 2" ApplePly/cork shelf and place the feet directly on the glass and the amp chassis on the feet.

We had really great and surprisingly fast results with the feet on glass awhile back.

If past experience holds, you should hear a seriously good result within a few hours.

If you give it a try, please let us know what happens. I'm very interested.
 

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I found an amazing place in my system for CS2M 1.0 for Mac Mini (Mojo full upgrade). Mac only works with Roon Core, but CS have made a dramatic improvement in streaming.
ps. Tested with Stillpoints Ultra SS and SR SX mig.
Hey, I'm not the only guy who's tried it!

I placed mine face down. You?
 

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Having allowed over two weeks for a set of CS2M 1.5 to settle, I have been pretty amazed by how much better they are than the CS footers that they replaced under a Meridian 861, on a Quadrapsire Reference rack. For me, it was the increase in transparency that has impressed the most. I plan to steadily replace the previous versions.

One question that I then had was what to do about the stacked SOtM switches that I have in each room/zone. Would it be better to have the CS2M 0.8 footers under each switch, or just one set of CS2M 1.0 footers?

Anyone else find the answer as to what works best when you have to stack equipment?
 

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Having allowed over two weeks for a set of CS2M 1.5 to settle, I have been pretty amazed by how much better they are than the CS footers that they replaced under a Meridian 861, on a Quadrapsire Reference rack. For me, it was the increase in transparency that has impressed the most. I plan to steadily replace the previous versions.

One question that I then had was what to do about the stacked SOtM switches that I have in each room/zone. Would it be better to have the CS2M 0.8 footers under each switch, or just one set of CS2M 1.0 footers?

Anyone else find the answer as to what works best when you have to stack equipment?
We've stacked components at shows etc, and in my experience layering the feet nets a better result. I'd suggest the 0.8 for this application. Of course, the final decision is yours.

I hope this helps.
 

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We've stacked components at shows etc, and in my experience layering the feet nets a better result. I'd suggest the 0.8 for this application. Of course, the final decision is yours.

I hope this helps.
I agree with Joe. I have 18 sets under all my components and each one is standing in its own shelf. I do NOT stack components and use only one set of feet. Best rule of thumb is one set of feet per component
 

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I agree with Joe. I have 18 sets under all my components and each one is standing in its own shelf. I do NOT stack components and use only one set of feet. Best rule of thumb is one set of feet per component
It is my ideal to have non-stacked equipment, but when it came to multiple switches for streaming, I just had to stack them, especially as I had to factor in LPSs and clocks. So Joe's suggested solution is really helpful...your model is the aspiration, but I can't see how I can fit so many shelves in at the moment.
 

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Hi,
My EMM Labs DV2 has three feet. Should I put three CS2M 1.5 feet under it?
Use 4

One of my components also has 3 feet but I used 4 CS2M. They are sold inn sets of 4
 
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Use 4

One of my components also has 3 feet but I used 4 CS2M. They are sold inn sets of 4

Thanks Steve. I have Symposium Acoustics Svelte Plus shelfs on top of my sturdy wooden cabinet. Would it be better to take out Symposium shelfs and put CS2Ms on top of the wooden cabinet?
Thanks,
Teera A.
 

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I would do the experiment and try it both ways. Joe has always suggested to remove something which might be a competing technology. but it’s easy to experiment. I have mine on his CMS Platforms but they have the same technology
 

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