David Karmeli’s Bionor/Lamm/AS-2000 Audio System

[LL21]

koda K70, Kondo Gakuon 211 amp

Thanks...what made you prefer the 211? I have never heard either of those amps. Have only heard the Kondos at Audiocrack's, whichever he owns. Very impressive.

 

[bonzo75]

Thanks...what made you prefer the 211? I have never heard either of those amps. Have only heard the Kondos at Audiocrack's, whichever he owns. Very impressive.

i have videos on my zero D report. These things have to be heard in person, or if not, on videos.

 

[LL21]

i have videos on my zero D report. These things have to be heard in person, or if not, on videos.

Thanks... I did see the Kondo in one system and the K70 in another...were both amps ever in the same system?

 

[bonzo75]

Thanks... I did see the Kondo in one system and the K70 in another...were both amps ever in the same system?

no.

 

[LL21]

Hmmm...difficult in a video of any kind, let alone 2 different systems in different rooms. This is the closest I can find...Kondo Kagura v Koda K70...same system.

 

[bonzo75]

Hmmm...difficult in a video of any kind, let alone 2 different systems in different rooms. This is the closest I can find...Kondo Kagura v Koda K70...same system.

oh yes I remember these. Here the Koda sounds better than both the Kondo and there is a third video of Goldmund too.

And that pretty much ties on to what Howie found in his room. But Kondo does not sound good on all speakers at all, the speakers sold usually be horns, the Sigma MAAT works, and usually the preamp is required. I have also found the Vitus to sound better than the Kagura on Magico in the same room.

but if we are talking horns, the Kondo would sound like it does on Diesis, bionor or Sigma MAAT on good horns.

 

[Amir]

Kondo is not harsh but in this video I hear harsh/clipping sound.
those speakers are not match for kondo but this level of harshness is not normal. maybe the kondo is not fully warmed up, maybe there is a mis-match voltage level .maybe ac quality is awful ...

The room also is very small for these speakers.

The test/review/judgment condition should be right, harsh sound has no relation to audio hardware

 

[LL21]

oh yes I remember these. Here the Koda sounds better than both the Kondo and there is a third video of Goldmund too.

And that pretty much ties on to what Howie found in his room. But Kondo does not sound good on all speakers at all, the speakers sold usually be horns, the Sigma MAAT works, and usually the preamp is required. I have also found the Vitus to sound better than the Kagura on Magico in the same room.

but if we are talking horns, the Kondo would sound like it does on Diesis, bionor or Sigma MAAT on good horns.

That was my sense too, and obviously the best is to hear from Howie himself. Speaker-amp is one of the most important things to get right.
I imagine Audioexotics pairing of Robert Koda K15EX/K160s and the big Divin Majestics (96db efficient?) is done for a reason.

I also did like what I heard at Audiocrack's with his Kondo many years ago.

 

[morricab]

Kondo is not harsh but in this video I hear harsh/clipping sound.
those speakers are not match for kondo but this level of harshness is not normal. maybe the kondo is not fully warmed up, maybe there is a mis-match voltage level .maybe ac quality is awful ...

The room also is very small for these speakers.

The test/review/judgment condition should be right, harsh sound has no relation to audio hardware

Or the SPL was simply too high and it really was clipping.

 

[PeterA]

David: Vintage JBL/TAD/Siemens horn + Lamm
Kevin: Living Voice Vox Olympian + Kondo 300b

You can ask Kevin (UK) and David (Utah) to visit them and listen to their audio systems.

If you like the sound of an audio system and decide to buy it in my idea it is better to buy both amplifier and speaker.

Great suggestion, especially considering that this is Ron's visit thread to Utah to hear David Karmeli's Bionor/Lamm system from last January.

 

[bonzo75]

That was my sense too, and obviously the best is to hear from Howie himself. Speaker-amp is one of the most important things to get right.
I imagine Audioexotics pairing of Robert Koda K15EX/K160s and the big Divin Majestics (96db efficient?) are done for a reason.

I did like what I heard at Audiocrack's many years ago.

he did end up that time with koda for a brief while and has made some comments on that thread. After that he sold off the Gobbel, went to tannoy Westminster, and now audionote speakers and electronics

 

[Ron Resnick]

he did end up that time with koda for a brief while and has made some comments on that thread. After that he sold off the Gobbel, went to tannoy Westminster, and now audionote speakers and electronics

Gobel Divin Noblesse --> Tannoy Westminster --> Audio Note



That sure doesn't fit any of my loudspeaker theories!

Kedar, do you know what his thought process was with these swaps? What was he dissatisfied with, and where was trying to get to?

 

[PeterA]

he did end up that time with koda for a brief while and has made some comments on that thread. After that he sold off the Gobbel, went to tannoy Westminster, and now audionote speakers and electronics

Is he a dealer? He raved about the Gobbel. I'm surprised he moved on so soon, and also with the Westminster.

 

[bonzo75]

Is he a dealer? He raved about the Gobbel. I'm surprised he moved on so soon, and also with the Westminster.

oh no not a dealer

 

[bonzo75]

Gobel Divin Noblesse --> Tannoy Westminster --> Audio Note



That sure doesn't fit any of my loudspeaker theories!

Fits mine, not that I like AN E but the philosophy does fit. For larger scale music especially and smaller scale

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Gobel Divin Noblesse --> Tannoy Westminster --> Audio Note



That sure doesn't fit any of my loudspeaker theories!

Kedar, do you know what his thought process was with these swaps? What was he dissatisfied with, and where was trying to get to?

also, room size and tendency toward large scale music or smaller is real. and amp preference and then which speaker is best. so hard to assume any particular decision path. he would have to articulate his reasonings.

ROI on the Noblesse would be lessened in a smallish room. so maybe you change your path. no obvious absolutes. and is he actually happier now than where he started? fair question.

would Ked interpret this as 'NLF'?

 

[Ron Resnick]

Fits mine, not that I like AN E but the philosophy does fit. For larger scale music especially and smaller scale

Do you know what his thought process was with these swaps? What was he dissatisfied with, and where was trying to get to?

 

[bonzo75]

Do you know what his thought process was with these swaps? What was he dissatisfied with, and where was trying to get to?

you should ask him.

 

[morricab]

Gobel Divin Noblesse --> Tannoy Westminster --> Audio Note



That sure doesn't fit any of my loudspeaker theories!

Kedar, do you know what his thought process was with these swaps? What was he dissatisfied with, and where was trying to get to?

I get that very large Gobbel and very large Tannoys may not work in his room (wondering who was giving advice to him on this if at all) but to AN E I would not have gone. Something like a middle sized Diesis would have been interesting and around the same sensitivity as an AN E.

 

[Amir]

Great suggestion, especially considering that this is Ron's visit thread to Utah to hear David Karmeli's Bionor/Lamm system from last January.

Dear Peter,

I do not know how long does it take but I am sure I will see you and David in Utah