Herzan/Table Stable "Active" Isolation table.

[Ron Resnick]

Ron, you, Mike and Christian are going to be at the extreme bleeding edge of analog. You’re all choosing to ignore Dave’s explicit advice to stick with inert super stiff passive steel stand, and go active Herzan. . . .

I am taking David's advice. I am specifying and I will be ordering the heaviest (3" square box legs) stand Herzan will make. I am simply ordering a stand which has the ability to accomodate a standard TS-300 in the future if I change my mind.

The only active isolation platform I am for sure ordering is a TS-140 with external power supply for the Io main unit.

 

[rockitman]

We already changed the aluminum to stainless shelf for Chris for a reason, as Taiko Audio mentioned in his post panzerholtz can be too dead in this application Mike. The AS is very neutral and balanced by design I can't recommend introducing random resonance and dampening into the mix without some testing.

david

Actually my steel plate is 3/8” carbon steel, not stainless. My AVI Nano table arrives tomorrow.

 

[ddk]

Actually my steel plate is 3/8” carbon steel, not stainless. My AVI Nano table arrives tomorrow.

The carbon steel isn't an issue same effect as stainless, all of mine are carbon steel too but I didn't realize that it was only 3/8" thick. Anyway let's see how this active isolation plays out.

david

 

[rockitman]

Ron, you, Mike and Christian are going to be at the extreme bleeding edge of analog. You’re all choosing to ignore Dave’s explicit advice to stick with inert super stiff passive steel stand, and go active Herzan. I just can’t see how the “passive” option for Herzan matches anywhere near to Dave’s recommendation.
Sure it’s passive by definition, in that it’s “disabled active”, but does that really compare to Dave’s version of passive?

The best thing...if it doesn’t work under the AS2000 beneficially which I highly doubt, I can remove it, builds a rigid steel table and use the avi active nano table to hold two phonostages and my main preamp....there is no downside here.

 

[rockitman]

The carbon steel isn't an issue same effect as stainless, all of mine are carbon steel too but I didn't realize that it was only 3/8" thick. Anyway let's see how this active isolation plays out.

david

That is what engineering advised. Plenty rigid and not too heavy...120lbs for the 3/8” plate alone.

 

[Tango]

Mike is grinning right now and comfortably waiting for the outcome ! Jarek also has an interesting solution in the works.

david

Maybe its time to come out and join the three Muskateers . I am number 4.

I asked David who is kind enough to collaborate with Jarek for a total solution of my Thor's Hammer. Jarek now has all design principles from David and also my requirements. It is a three tiers rack. High mass probably more than 400 lbs, functional oriented, no nonsenses. Second tier has Stacore Advance for my phono. The lowest tier is for the motor control. Active antivibe never enter my mind for this super heavy Hammer from the start. My listening room is also L-shape and the Hammer will be placed at the far right leg of L. Picture might better explain.



We just decided that the rack shall be no taller than 86 cm. Other design details and Jarek's secret sauce will be upto Jarek. Jarek can respond shall there be any questions. I dont know if this thread is appropriate. Here are some early rendering of the rack from Jarek.





Pls dont ask me about pricing. I only agreed with Jarek on pricing principals. In fact, we still dont know how much it will be.
Just to let you guys know Jarek has been working on his rack that incorporates his Stacore platform for general purpose. My rack is spec specifically for the AS so the structure could be different. Hope Jarek is not upset me showing his prototye.

Isnt this great we have different ways approaching the endgame tt.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[Steve williams]

your other racks look like CMS

 

[Tango]

your other racks look like CMS

They are, Steve.
Jarek's rack will blend in quite well.

Tang

 

[rockitman]

Tang...your on the AS2000 bandwagon ? Congrats ! Lots of different stand implementations. No two AS2000’s will sound alike !

 

[Ron Resnick]

Congratulations, Tang, on the American Sound turntable and on the stand!

Welcome to the adventure!

Where is the new stand going to be located? Somewhere in that adjacent equipment room?

 

[Tango]

Tang...your on the AS2000 bandwagon ? Congrats ! Lots of different stand implementations. No two AS2000’s will sound alike !

Yes Christian. I have been there from the start and have been sneaking at what you guys are doing.

 

[rockitman]

Yes Christian. I have been there from the start and have been sneaking at what you guys are doing.

Awesome !!!

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Yes Christian. I have been there from the start and have been sneaking at what you guys are doing.

congrats Tang! i'm happy it's you. figured it was either you or Jack's brother.....but with the AF0 direction there, figured you were #1 candidate.....with a bullet.

going to be a fun ride down this road!!

 

[Tango]

Congratulations, Tang, on the American Sound turntable and on the stand!

Welcome to the adventure!

Where is the new stand going to be located? Somewhere in that adjacent equipment room?

Yes Ron. The AS and its rack will be placed adjacent to the AF1p where you can see the armrest of my sofa in the picture. I have to move my sofa to the other side.

Tang

 

[ddk]

Maybe its time to come out and join the three Muskateers . I am number 4.

I asked David who is kind enough to collaborate with Jarek for a total solution of my Thor's Hammer. Jarek now has all design principles from David and also my requirements. It is a three tiers rack. High mass probably more than 400 lbs, functional oriented, no nonsenses. Second tier has Stacore Advance for my phono. The lowest tier is for the motor control. Active antivibe never enter my mind for this super heavy Hammer from the start. My listening room is also L-shape and the Hammer will be placed at the far right leg of L. Picture might better explain.

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We just decided that the rack shall be no taller than 86 cm. Other design details and Jarek's secret sauce will be upto Jarek. Jarek can respond shall there be any questions. I dont know if this thread is appropriate. Here are some early rendering of the rack from Jarek.

Pls dont ask me about pricing. I only agreed with Jarek on pricing principals. In fact, we still dont know how much it will be.
Just to let you guys know Jarek has been working on his rack that incorporates his Stacore platform for general purpose. My rack is spec specifically for the AS so the structure could be different. Hope Jarek is not upset me showing his prototye.

Isnt this great we have different ways approaching the endgame tt.

Kind regards,
Tang

Thanks for mentioning me but Jarek's doing all the heavy lifting. I was wondering how long before you announced it ! Can't divulge the name but a good friend is the 5th member musketeer.
Very elegant space Tang!

david

 

[Tango]

congrats Tang! i'm happy it's you. figured it was either you or Jack's brother.....but with the AF0 direction there, figured you were #1 candidate.....with a bullet.

going to be a fun ride down this road!!

Thanks Mike. I think our units will be delivered pretty much the same time. Next March or April right?

Tang

 

[jeff1225]

Tang,
Your space looks amazing, I wish you would start a system page!

 

[NorthStar]

What he just said ^

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Thanks Mike. I think our units will be delivered pretty much the same time. Next March or April right?

Tang

yes, that is what David said. very much looking forward to it, and it will be more fun to do it with you. I like your rack approach; good choice.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Mike, you’re keeping us all on a string LOL.
What do we want?
Tana feedback.
When do we want it?
Now.
Well, as soon as, please.

I did move the Taiko Tana to underneath my NVS tt......and I've been listening for a few hours.