Herzan/Table Stable "Active" Isolation table.

[bonzo75]

Ked, Tang just can’t help himself. There is no cure.
Other than switching wholesale to digital.

Lol. Computer audio.

Tang there is no point having all that analog experience when you can't help us choose our streamer

 

[bonzo75]

Tang, please make kodo beat your 5th. You need a DD.

 

[rockitman]

I would be concerned that the sheer weight of the sheet metal will result in bending if it is only 3/8" thick

If that's the case, Herzan should fire it's engineers.

Engineered spec (I just checked) based on 1/2" carbon steel plate...NOT sheetmetal. 3/8" was my error. The 25"x36"x1/2" plate weight 130lbs.
Adjusted Load Capacity: 742 Lbs
Adjusted to account for uneven load (20% of total load capacity): 742 Lbs

 

[Steve williams]

1/2" seems better than 3/8" but my concern is a heavy but thin sheet can bend

 

[spiritofmusic]

Ked, I think The Beat is history.
Been replaced by the Xact Audio XX direct drive tt.
And surely Tang should wait to check the new SP10 when it’s released next yr?

 

[bonzo75]

Ked, I think The Beat is history.
Been replaced by the Xact Audio XX direct drive tt.
And surely Tang should wait to check the new SP10 when it’s released next yr?

Good point. Don't think he can wait till next year

 

[rockitman]

1/2" seems better than 3/8" but my concern is a heavy but thin sheet can bend

have you tried to bend 1/2" carbon steel lately ?

 

[Steve williams]

have you tried to bend 1/2" carbon steel lately ?

That's not the point . My point was that a heavy long sheet could be prone to bending

 

[Taiko Audio]

1/2" seems better than 3/8" but my concern is a heavy but thin sheet can bend

I wouldnt feel safe with 3/8” either, but 1/2” should be fine, if Herzan specs it itll work anyway.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Surely the solution is simple.
What spec of steel sheet does Dave use?
Whatever that is, replicate it.

 

[Steve williams]

Surely the solution is simple.
What spec of steel sheet does Dave use?
Whatever that is, replicate it.

to my eyes, the stand being designed for Tang looks like a miniaturized version of David's tables

 

[Steve williams]

have you tried to bend 1/2" carbon steel lately ?

BTW, have you tried moving a 500 plus lb weight of steel?

 

[Tango]

Congratulations Tango. You have an incredible collection of tables and what little we see of your room looks wonderful. I second the suggestion to start a virtual system page.

When you say that active antivibe never entered your mind and that Stacore is designing a stand for your new AS turntable, my first thought was that the top shelf was going to be pneumatic isolation like Jarek's other platforms. Do you consider pneumatic solutions active? You explain in some detail the second and third shelves design and what equipment will be placed on them. Is the top shelf going to be completely rigid and stable and a thick slab of steel?

Thank you Peter. The top plate for the AS is just a 25 mm thick stainless steel that weigh more than 100kgs. My priority is on the top shelf without any antivibe mechanism. Even before David’s recommendation I myself believe this super heavy solid bloc of steel tt just need a very stable and strong high mass rack for support nothing more. When I told David this he was happy I take this route. He recommended stainless steel because Bangkok is humid and carbon steel corrode. I don’t consider pneumatic solutions active.

The second tier I intend to put my phono there. This shelf I have Jarek incorporate the Stacore Advance to it. To be honest, I am not so much into antivibe rack, devices, footers, because I don’t hear much from my CMS and I heard more what I didn’t want to hear from Stllpoint Ultra6. These things just don’t sing to me. Maybe my ears are just not golden enough. I never told Jarek this. If I have told him maybe he didn’t want to take the job . BUT I want to try Jarek’s and hope he can prove me wrong. Phono to me is a good place to try. Having a Stacore Adv on second tier does not interfere at all with my top shelf so the first designing principle remain.

My first contact with Jarek was for a custom platform for the EMT. It didn’t happen but I found Jarek one of the specialist in this field, very humble, doesn’t rave about his products by himself, no ego and his design aesthetic is my cup of tea. Designer’s characters do influence my buying decision since I don’t always get to do a test run.

Kind regards,
Tang

 

[rockitman]

BTW, have you tried moving a 500 plus lb weight of steel?

Steve...it's science...not subjective thinking that went into the design of my NDW23 custom active workstation. The engineers take into account what the load requirement's are...I said 700lbs and they came up with the design to meet that spec along with the required stability and rigidity needed for the active isolator modules to function properly. If the top flexed at all, the isolators would not work properly and destabilize.

 

[Steve williams]

Thank you Peter. The top plate for the AS is just a 25 mm thick stainless steel that weigh more than 100kgs. My priority is on the top shelf without any antivibe mechanism. Even before David’s recommendation I myself believe this super heavy solid bloc of steel tt just need a very stable and strong high mass rack for support nothing more. When I told David this he was happy I take this route. He recommended stainless steel because Bangkok is humid and carbon steel corrode. I don’t consider pneumatic solutions active.

The second tier I intend to put my phono there. This shelf I have Jarek incorporate the Stacore Advance to it. To be honest, I am not so much into antivibe rack, devices, footers, because I don’t hear much from my CMS and I heard more what I didn’t want to hear from Stllpoint Ultra6. These things just don’t sing to me. Maybe my ears are just not golden enough. I never told Jarek this. If I have told him maybe he didn’t want to take the job . BUT I want to try Jarek’s and hope he can prove me wrong. Phono to me is a good place to try. Having a Stacore Adv on second tier does not interfere at all with my top shelf so the first designing principle remain.

My first contact with Jarek was for a custom platform for the EMT. It didn’t happen but I found Jarek one of the specialist in this field, very humble, doesn’t rave about his products by himself, no ego and his design aesthetic is my cup of tea. Designer’s characters do influence my buying decision since I don’t always get to do a test run.

Kind regards,
Tang

I like the route you are taking Tang

 

[spiritofmusic]

Tang, I can reassure you that Stacore doesn’t appear to impose any character on what’s put on it, just gets out of the way to bring forth the inherent performance of whatever is situated on it.
I’ve tried balanced transformer, cdp and preamp on it, and each was liberated in performance. I’m even getting Stacore magic with one of my Entreq ground boxes on it, no kidding.
Your solution is an admirable way to maintain David’s ethos of solid inert support under tt, and tapping into Stacore magic with the phono. My only quibble is whether you could have had two Stacore Advanced platforms with one each for the phono and AS motor unit.

 

[Tango]

. My only quibble is whether you could have had two Stacore Advanced platforms with one each for the phono and AS motor unit.

You have tasted the cake. I haven’t. So one Stacore is enough for now and another thing is I want to keep the rack as low as possible.

Tang

 

[Tango]

I like the route you are taking Tang

I will be waiting to see yours Steve.

 

[spiritofmusic]

Steve is a Musketeer?
Dave, Mike, Christian, Tang.
Now Steve also?
Have I missed something obvious?

 

[bonzo75]

Steve is a Musketeer?
Dave, Mike, Christian, Tang.
Now Steve also?
Have I missed something obvious?

You missed Ron