Can anyone tell me how long the umbilicals are? I can probably use them to replace at least one or two of my 1.75m length anacondas, (which are way to long for my application), and safe me some $$ to boot.
Can anyone tell me how long the umbilicals are? I can probably use them to replace at least one or two of my 1.75m length anacondas, (which are way to long for my application), and safe me some $$ to boot.
Cool - plenty long for me. I assume they only come in 20A termination, but I can still replace the 1.75m 20A anaconda on my Ref 5SE with an umbilical AND I can get away with using an anaconda umbilical to connect my Triton to the wall, since it will be sitting right in front of the outlet. The economics on this move keep improving! I also love the idea of being able to eliminate a few meter of redundant cable length from the snakepit behind my system...
Cool - plenty long for me. I assume they only come in 20A termination, but I can still replace the 1.75m 20A anaconda on my Ref 5SE with an umbilical AND I can get away with using an anaconda umbilical to connect my Triton to the wall, since it will be sitting right in front of the outlet. The economics on this move keep improving! I also love the idea of being able to eliminate a few meter of redundant cable length from the snakepit behind my system...
I'm still a happy camper. I'm going to save some $$$ with the latest Shunyata products. Swap out one anaconda for a digital alpha, and one full length 20A anaconda for a umbilical on my preamp. If I replace my 2 x P5 with Triton / Typhon I won't need the full length anaconda's I am using on my P5's either. All said I am saving $5K listprice on 4 cables, and I am cutting 3 cable lengths back to the minimum I need, reducing clutter in my snakepit.
Cool - plenty long for me. I assume they only come in 20A termination, but I can still replace the 1.75m 20A anaconda on my Ref 5SE with an umbilical AND I can get away with using an anaconda umbilical to connect my Triton to the wall, since it will be sitting right in front of the outlet. The economics on this move keep improving! I also love the idea of being able to eliminate a few meter of redundant cable length from the snakepit behind my system...
Be careful before you get umbilicals for applications other than the Typhon. When I read your post I thought I recalled Caelin addressing this very subject elsewhere. I've posted his previous response to using shorter Shunyata power cords in typical applications;
3) Yes and No. This is difficult for people to understand but if you will bear with me I will try to explain it. If you asked the same question about standard power cords the answers would be Yes and Yes. If the current capacity and inductance of the power cord is the same or more than the wiring in the wall (as with standard PCs) - then it will degrade DTCD as length is added. The Anaconda is not an ordinary power cord in that its current carrying capacity is greater and the inductance is significantly less than that of the wall wiring. This creates a localized low AC impedance current domain around the power supply transformer. When you shorten the Anaconda this low impedance buffer is reduced degrading performance. This is why we don't recommend excessively short power cords to components. If you want a short cord for aesthetic reasons - fine. But the performance will be reduced. Also an Anaconda is large in diameter and not easy to plug in when made less than a meter in length. Also shorter than 1.5 meter power cords are very difficult to resell and very difficult to stretch.
The Typhon is NOT in the current path and is a parallel filter for the Triton. Therefore, none the above applies. It needs as short a cord as possible to minimized the distance between the Typhon NICs (noise isolation chambers) and the Triton's internal power distribution buss. This means a longer cable is undesireable even if it is an Anaconda.
Be careful before you get umbilicals for applications other than the Typhon. When I read your post I thought I recalled Caelin addressing this very subject elsewhere. I've posted his previous response to using shorter Shunyata power cords in typical applications;
3) Yes and No. This is difficult for people to understand but if you will bear with me I will try to explain it. If you asked the same question about standard power cords the answers would be Yes and Yes. If the current capacity and inductance of the power cord is the same or more than the wiring in the wall (as with standard PCs) - then it will degrade DTCD as length is added. The Anaconda is not an ordinary power cord in that its current carrying capacity is greater and the inductance is significantly less than that of the wall wiring. This creates a localized low AC impedance current domain around the power supply transformer. When you shorten the Anaconda this low impedance buffer is reduced degrading performance. This is why we don't recommend excessively short power cords to components. If you want a short cord for aesthetic reasons - fine. But the performance will be reduced. Also an Anaconda is large in diameter and not easy to plug in when made less than a meter in length. Also shorter than 1.5 meter power cords are very difficult to resell and very difficult to stretch.
The Typhon is NOT in the current path and is a parallel filter for the Triton. Therefore, none the above applies. It needs as short a cord as possible to minimized the distance between the Typhon NICs (noise isolation chambers) and the Triton's internal power distribution buss. This means a longer cable is undesireable even if it is an Anaconda.
I wonder if this still applies for components plugged into a Triton, since inductance of the Triton is different than inductance of wiring on the wall. I'll ask the question.
So question for Caelin - does the above argument against using a 24" anaconda PC run apply to components plugged into a Triton as well?
Hi Steve, I am delighted that you have discovered Triton and Typhon… I had the pleasure of having a Triton on loan in 2011, just prior to Typhon release, and found it to be an amazing device… Remember what I told you back then… The effect to resolution, staging/imaging, and harmonic coherence was that of a primary component rather than what I expected from a mere conditioner. At the time, it removed the last traces of spurious treble cross-modulation on complex passages of high strings. Interestingly, it was the only conditioner that I have tried which did not cause my old 500W Rowland M312 to exhibit signs of macro/micro dynamic depression… On the contrary!
Yet I have little doubt that my new Rowland M925 monos, with their 2400W SMPS per side, would find Triton to be an insufficient power source. In my listening room I have a 20A dedicated line and a 15A line that serves a few outlets. Initially, I had both amps plugged into the single dedicated line… But soon found that the M925 monos enhance delivry of audible parameters if I have one mono feeding from the dedicated line, and the other one plugged into the 15A circuit… I know I know, installing a second 20A circuit would be ideal, but having an electrician fiddling with in-wall wiring is simply not in the cards for reason of maintenance of spousal bliss… When I finally move in a couple of years, I will make sure that there are sufficient 20A circuits in the new music room.
Now, thanks to you Steve, I have a fresh new bee up my audiophilic bonnet for 2014… I conjecture that A pair of Typhons would cause my M925s to soar to fresh new performance heights *grins!*
The Typhon and Triton addess EMI from the wall to the components,but does it do anything about EMI generated by the audio equipment itself,just wondering.
The Typhon and Triton addess EMI from the wall to the components,but does it do anything about EMI generated by the audio equipment itself,just wondering.
The Typhon and Triton addess EMI from the wall to the components,but does it do anything about EMI generated by the audio equipment itself,just wondering.
I guess if you measured the frequency it is "high",but it is really more of a "hash" and the digital thing is in my experience totally different. Listen to a large choral recording,it should be crystal clear right down to the individuals,if it's not and your system is really low distortion,it's the current hash generated by the amplifier and also by the preamp and source equipment to a lesser degree. The soundstage in a true noiseless system will mimic the original venue where you are actually hearing what the mic hears or should I say "see's".
From earlier internet post by Caelin regarding the Alpha Digital PC;
It is a unique power cable in that it is application specific. It is designed very specifically to deal with power line noise as produced from digital components. We have expanded the complexity of the ZyTron circuit to include the ability to reduce RFI and impulse noise.
So it would be difficult to place it in the hierarchy of cables. Because of its very narrow and very specific design it will significantly out perform conventional cables when used on a digital type component.
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Thanks Steve.
I have say I have understood it would surpass "conventional" cables, but I was not sure about the Anaconda. Do you already have one alpha digital in your your system?
Steve, where on the website does he say the alpha digital outperforms the anaconda for digital sources? I wasn't able to find it. I have an Anaconda on my Playback Designs and wouldn't be all that happy that I flushed $1600 for nothing.
Be very curious as to what you think. Zanden makes their own cables for their digital (Both Power cables and 'umbilical cables' that run between the power supply and the main units)...they use a lot of shielding they say which does a lot to lower noise floor. I use the Zanden umbilicals but Purist Audio Dominus/Ann Contego power cables. They have an upgraded umbilical...perhaps worth considering trying the upgraded umbilicals and the Zanden power cables...or the Shunyata power cable...if you find there is a big difference with the Shunyata vs your Nordost Valhalla.
