Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème
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steve williams
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That is almost word for word how I described it when I spoke to Emile. The room is energized.All of the queues that create the sense of presence are there. I remain speechless.
There certainly seems like a valentine's day present for all the roon users out there.
As SteveZ noted, big improvements we're found with both local (the top priority here) and streaming when using roon.
And Emile notes that the roon + os/driver update will provide much of the SQ benefits that the old/unreleased xmds would have provided in December. I have no doubt that rewriting Xmds to incorporate the latest key discoveries will bring it up to and beyond what the room+os/driver will deliver next week.
However, as some who detests (a mild description of my feelings) roon and its interface, what can I expect next week from TAS+os/driver? Has anyone had a chance to compare this to roon+os/driver?
While I'm excited about the breakthrough, I have a feeling this jump in SQ will bypass me and my non-roon system, leaving me, at least for a while, with lesser SQ and still no gapless playback.
Emile--can you give at least a ballpark idea of when we non-roon users can expect to experience this new sonic magic and gapless playback?
As SteveZ noted, big improvements we're found with both local (the top priority here) and streaming when using roon.
And Emile notes that the roon + os/driver update will provide much of the SQ benefits that the old/unreleased xmds would have provided in December. I have no doubt that rewriting Xmds to incorporate the latest key discoveries will bring it up to and beyond what the room+os/driver will deliver next week.
However, as some who detests (a mild description of my feelings) roon and its interface, what can I expect next week from TAS+os/driver? Has anyone had a chance to compare this to roon+os/driver?
While I'm excited about the breakthrough, I have a feeling this jump in SQ will bypass me and my non-roon system, leaving me, at least for a while, with lesser SQ and still no gapless playback.
Emile--can you give at least a ballpark idea of when we non-roon users can expect to experience this new sonic magic and gapless playback?
Wow. Amazing Steve and Nils. That’s kind of hard to imagine.
Beyond excited Emile and Ed!
Yes it should, though have not tested that “in the field”. If you are willing to try drop me an e-mail at contact@taikoaudio.com.
If you use TAS exclusively this update still provides a significant uptick in sound quality. It’s just not clearly ahead of Roon anymore.
I’ll leave estimates on the XDMS launch to @EuroDriver to comment on as he’s spearheading this particular project and manages the software development team.
Sign me up! Such great news. Should those who are interested just send an e-mail to Taiko support?
I'm thinking of a different approach this time, previously we had a scheduler application where we had fixed 30 minute timeslots available and used 3 people to perform the updates limiting the rollout speed to 6 an hour. I can update 20-30 an hour just by myself so I'm leaning towards starting with an open model where I would be available for 16 hours in a row (minus coffee breaks / gym time) for a few days which would cover virtually everybody following this thread. Then we open a scheduler application and/or reach out to the remaining Extreme customers on a scheduled install basis. Details to follow.
I am happy to defer deciding scheduling things 100% to you @Taiko Audio - I am sure we are all eager to get to enjoy the new SQ levels but you for sure can best decide on what is the most effective way to deliver the required changes as you have the complete perspective of changes including the parts that are DAC-specific.
Pretty sure I speak for rest of members of this thread in stating the above.
Looking forward to 2nd part of the update!
Small update on-top of what I reported before - I experience the same improvements for both streaming use case via Quobuz (99% in my case) but also for my 1% locally stored music (DSD256, Redbook).
So - the OS-changes are not only affecting network-interface settings but also the upstream parts of the solution. Details are of course the IP of Taiko Audio and will remain hidden but I remain AMAZED of the impact possible from SW-changes and look forward to continued closed-loop, quick iterations innovation across this community and Taiko Audio.
WAY TO GO @Taiko Audio !
The good news, is that Wilson and the Dev's are making good progress, but the Sonic and Visual Goal Posts have moved, LoL
The OS update which has liberated Roon SQ to a new level has us reviewing the XDMS processing strategy.
I think everyone who has seen the new UI, think that it's well worth waiting for.
As to a time estimate, things come out of left field including Dev;'s coming down with Omicron, it's all very difficult to predict.
In the meantime, venerable old TAS is not that far behind roon, with some OS revised users still slightly preferring TAS
We have a clear picture of what’s handicapping TAS, and XDMS won’t have that
That is just how the Discovery-process works - it is intrinsically hard to align with a time-plan, best way in my experience is time-boxing and instead run multiple time-boxes over time, interleaved with Delivery of small increments to Customers (starting with Beta-subset).
This is how we do it in my organization and we for sure did not invent this model but it works (those interested to drill-down may want to explore the GREAT work done by Marty Cagan's team here https://svpg.com/discovery-vs-delivery/) - both from commercial/product management and engineering perspective.
Taiko Audio already have a way of working close to what I am suggesting.
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great to hear, Emile - in these time slots when you are vailable for the update - are you informing us with an e-mail or are we going to send you the tewamviewer data and you just pick omongst us....
excitement over this is at least as before Christmas centuries back...
Cudos to you and in advance toooooooo!
Edward, thank you for helping me with making Roon work this week - this is an incredible service - in less than half an hour after sending the e-mail you were there for me and did the job in a few minutes ( not the update )
after having had to reboot the Extreme I noticed an enormous uptick soundwise -more bloom, more everything - as said not subtle...
I was wonderung why - since I experienced that with TAS as well - ( again - no actual upgrade )
In fact TAS still outperforms Roon at large at least in my system....
Then I remembered that it is recommended to reboott the Extreme once in a while expecially when it is on 24/7 as it is in my case...because the sound diminishes which can be helped with a restart....
In my case I left the Extreme on from the very beginning while it burnt in and after that using it for 3 months now - without rebooting it -
I guess the sound got less intriguing though still great - and now after the restart I could really hear the immense quality of the Extreme - Sound for the very first time....
now my question - sorry for the long introduction....
it was mentionded somewhere in this thread that with the coming update this diminishing effect will not happen any more....true? - or should I restart the Extreme from time to time as recommended.....to avoid the effect...
thank you - great service 1+++
after having had to reboot the Extreme I noticed an enormous uptick soundwise -more bloom, more everything - as said not subtle...
I was wonderung why - since I experienced that with TAS as well - ( again - no actual upgrade )
In fact TAS still outperforms Roon at large at least in my system....
Then I remembered that it is recommended to reboott the Extreme once in a while expecially when it is on 24/7 as it is in my case...because the sound diminishes which can be helped with a restart....
In my case I left the Extreme on from the very beginning while it burnt in and after that using it for 3 months now - without rebooting it -
I guess the sound got less intriguing though still great - and now after the restart I could really hear the immense quality of the Extreme - Sound for the very first time....
now my question - sorry for the long introduction....
it was mentionded somewhere in this thread that with the coming update this diminishing effect will not happen any more....true? - or should I restart the Extreme from time to time as recommended.....to avoid the effect...
thank you - great service 1+++
Fantastic idea.
I understand we will simply open a Team Viewer in the morning, send login details and Emile will do his magic when the time comes.
I can't imagine having a better service.
Is the time fixed to start Monday?
... "Wilson and the Devs" sung to the tune of Bennie and the Jets. Wi, Wi, Wi, Wilson and the Devs. OK, carry on you lot...I'm clearly over-stimulated...
that sounds very encouraging.
i can wait a bit for 'the best' but it's great hearing that TAS+os is not that far behind.
has anyone had a chance to look at HQPlayer and the new os tweak?
it might be worth going that route for a while to get gapless playback here.
Glad to see you're not neglecting yourself -- that gym time and the coffee breaks are important. We want you to take care of yourself, Emile!
Steve Z
I had to test a few DAC's so Emile loaded the OS/driver updates on my Extreme. Like the others consider me GOBSMACKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I usually have a 10 second rule, to tell if I like something or not. The sonic uptick or I should say TRANSFORMATION using Roon over TAS was noticeable in 2 seconds. The first notes filled the room.
I told Emile I almost feel like crying, tears of joy, as to be able to use the Roon interface and have these sonics. It's a bit overwhelming.
SO THANKFUL TO BE A RIDER ON THE "TAIKO TRAIN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I usually have a 10 second rule, to tell if I like something or not. The sonic uptick or I should say TRANSFORMATION using Roon over TAS was noticeable in 2 seconds. The first notes filled the room.
I told Emile I almost feel like crying, tears of joy, as to be able to use the Roon interface and have these sonics. It's a bit overwhelming.
SO THANKFUL TO BE A RIDER ON THE "TAIKO TRAIN"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone else mentioned it, I agree that this is the most significant change in a system that I have ever experienced. Whether it had been a HW upgrade or new component, or whatever, the OS/driver update makes more of a difference than any upgrade/upgrade that I have ever experienced.
It is hard to comprehend.
It is hard to comprehend.
