I must admit, I could never buy a cart sound unheard. In fact, only gear that comes with a guaranteed sale or return policy will get considered if dealer demo can't otherwise be secured. I'm sure that applies to most of us.
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What does return policy mean? You get an amp home, if it sounds better than your current amp you do not return it, else you do. That's informed?
Let me see how this is gonna go again. Home trial on an amp isn't informed in yr opinion? Well it informs me as to whether I like it or not. So it's informative.
Duh!!!
Oh, I forgot. I should really be running half way around the world to inform myself if it sounds good or bad in other guys' systems. Well, that's all fine and dandy. But I dont run their systems in their rooms. I run mine in mine. So, home trial, thank you very much.
Of course, if my audio life was the gaining of data points, then this system wouldn't work. But it's not.
In my most humble opinion.
Whatever happened to "I like it, I'll have it, thanks"? We all got it wrong prior to you enlightening us, Ked.
I am not asking you what is your purchasing behavior? All you are telling me is how you buy, given the constraints you have, and that is fine. however, that is not informed.
Would you people get a hemorrhoid if you don't jab at each other for a day?
Tang
Tang
No disrespect Tang, its only Ked online who's informing people they're not informed when making choices.
I guess by his definition, virtually everyone is ill informed. I suspect he feels he has to inform us of our terrible choices and decision making. Too bad this comes over as arrogant rather than inclusive.
I guess by his definition, virtually everyone is ill informed. I suspect he feels he has to inform us of our terrible choices and decision making. Too bad this comes over as arrogant rather than inclusive.
Actually, you proved you are not making informed decisions, as did micro saying he bought the cart unheard, as did many on the survey that Davey had put up a few months ago. So tang is making informed decisions buying many carts and tables and then listening and choosing, have you seen those threads that say should I buy A or B and then doing a count of recommendations before pulling the trigger? Or do you just want to debate?
Tang, did you also demo Mayer in yr system, versus any number of other amps, both tubes and SS? Did you then go and check yr preferences were objectively arrived at, by travelling to hear multiple alternative systems where these amps were installed? Any number of times?
Or did you do what normal typical audiophiles do? You have a relationship w David, and he provided you w Lamms, you tried them out, and you preferred them to yr Ayons. And bought them.
Has Ked told you that you were ill informed? Or is it only others that get this verdict?
Or did you do what normal typical audiophiles do? You have a relationship w David, and he provided you w Lamms, you tried them out, and you preferred them to yr Ayons. And bought them.
Has Ked told you that you were ill informed? Or is it only others that get this verdict?
Well yes, I actually told him to roll amps when I was at his place. Wow Marc, you are brighter than I gave you credit for
Now calling Tang a typical audiophile is somewhat of a stretch
Ked, I can't think of many other than Tang or Mike who could entertain running multiple tts, arms, carts, and come to l/t decisions. If this is the correct measure on how to choose, I'm out.
PS we agree blind buying can't make much sense.
PS we agree blind buying can't make much sense.
Good thing you've plenty of willing saps on WBF to test yr sarcasm on. And it's by a long way, the sharpest and most cutting. Bears no comparison.
Oh, Tang is typical when you're the comparison.
Oh, Tang is typical when you're the comparison.
No I did not say it was the correct measure to choose. If you continue to read what you want to instead of what I write, you will get the scathing sarcasm.
My point was very clear. The hifi market is not efficient because people are like you, most of them, and not like tang and Mike. In a stock market, all seasoned players will have equal information to the equivalent of their Tang's and Mike's and the prices will reflect what most know. Some markets are more efficient than others. Hifi works on inefficiency. Because of the nature of users. That is my point.
This is clearly a market where those with the extra means will have more information than others, and still not sufficient enough. This is not regulated for them to pass the true information to you either
Marc... An efficient market is one where the majority of people here have done the compares tang and Mike are writing about, and have equal information to general on the LP recordings. You will never have this in hifi. Which is why dealers and reviewers will always have power.
And even if not to that extent, more relevant to where this kicked off, anyone with Tang's, Bill's, mine, or anyone with exposure to General's LPs , has made a choice to not pursue that path and instead choose gear. This is fine with me if it is a conscious choice. To which microstrip contended most would have that information (his statement who does not make an informed choice either on that or any aspect).
And even if not to that extent, more relevant to where this kicked off, anyone with Tang's, Bill's, mine, or anyone with exposure to General's LPs , has made a choice to not pursue that path and instead choose gear. This is fine with me if it is a conscious choice. To which microstrip contended most would have that information (his statement who does not make an informed choice either on that or any aspect).
Ked, I haven't got an economics degree, so can't argue w you there.
Just what has Mike done to make him informed? I don't ever recall him saying he was going to try X number of tts prior to settling on NVS. He had the Sirius for a decade, a Beat and a 301. Before settling on NVS, I don't believe he trialled big hitters like SME30, Brinkmann, GP Monaco, Saskia, Continuum. He had a relationship w NVS dealer, trialled it and ran with it.
How is this any different to anyone having a l/t reference, one or two experiments concurrently, and one's dealer selling you his flagship.
Did Mike run thru extensive numbers of amps? No, Levinson to Tenor to Dartzeel. Again, no massive series of ABs.
Ditto spkrs, moving thru Kharma to VS to EA.
Just where is Mike ticking yr boxes and the majority aren't?
Just what has Mike done to make him informed? I don't ever recall him saying he was going to try X number of tts prior to settling on NVS. He had the Sirius for a decade, a Beat and a 301. Before settling on NVS, I don't believe he trialled big hitters like SME30, Brinkmann, GP Monaco, Saskia, Continuum. He had a relationship w NVS dealer, trialled it and ran with it.
How is this any different to anyone having a l/t reference, one or two experiments concurrently, and one's dealer selling you his flagship.
Did Mike run thru extensive numbers of amps? No, Levinson to Tenor to Dartzeel. Again, no massive series of ABs.
Ditto spkrs, moving thru Kharma to VS to EA.
Just where is Mike ticking yr boxes and the majority aren't?
No disrespect Ked, Bill has chosen gear. Kuzma to SME to Vyger is evidence.
Now, if you'd argue to stick w your first serious system, in my case that could have been a £1k Rega rig from 1995, and spend the money spent on gear instead on vinyl, one would indeed have a very nice collectible/superior 5-10k strong lp investment.
Now, if you'd argue to stick w your first serious system, in my case that could have been a £1k Rega rig from 1995, and spend the money spent on gear instead on vinyl, one would indeed have a very nice collectible/superior 5-10k strong lp investment.
Marc, your post again did not address what I wrote at all. Bill had no clue about LP investment when he had the kuzma etc. He had when he chose Vyger, which in this case confirms to informed for that particular context.
I think we are digressing. What you are now addressing is the process of what makes Mike a more efficient searcher than you or someone else. That is a different point. If you think not Mike you can replace his name by Fremer for all I care, the above point is unchanged
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