this is the best track ever from a cd by klaus schulze called dig it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiyleqnbfky
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Digital or analog? Breuninger says... and asks what says you?
- Thread starter Peter Breuninger
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Oh wow, check this out! ...Got 56 minutes to spare?
--Just click => Michael Fremer - Analog TT - Video Podcast => And scroll down a bit.
* A very cool video podcast that everyone here should check;
and it is 100% related to this thread right here! :b
--Just click => Michael Fremer - Analog TT - Video Podcast => And scroll down a bit.
* A very cool video podcast that everyone here should check;
and it is 100% related to this thread right here! :b
Agree 100% with this. I would say that analog will show more resolution than 16/44 cd but with a great DAC it is so close it doesn't really matter.
I agree with almost everything. The exception being the part about redbook.
The only problem is that it's not that easy to get someone to come over. I have friends that will make any excuse to not come over and listen. I don't know why. Some people just don't want to be challenged. They are content with their limited, ignorant world-view. Nothing makes me happier than someone that will listen without getting their defenses up. I hate it when they ask how much does this stuff cost before they sit down. I intentionally setup my system to look as bare-bones as possible because the gear is not he point, the music is the point. That's one of the reasons I don't vinyl. For example, my father-in-law couldn't understand where the music was coming from. You can't see the server and sound comes from everywhere but the speakers. Its pretty awesome to let someone else experience that!
The only problem is that it's not that easy to get someone to come over. I have friends that will make any excuse to not come over and listen. I don't know why. Some people just don't want to be challenged. They are content with their limited, ignorant world-view. Nothing makes me happier than someone that will listen without getting their defenses up. I hate it when they ask how much does this stuff cost before they sit down. I intentionally setup my system to look as bare-bones as possible because the gear is not he point, the music is the point. That's one of the reasons I don't vinyl. For example, my father-in-law couldn't understand where the music was coming from. You can't see the server and sound comes from everywhere but the speakers. Its pretty awesome to let someone else experience that!
It would be better for sure. When it comes to digital, there's way too much focus, IMO, on the playback format. There are many, many really awesome redbook recordings. Redbook has some shortcomings, but not enough to totally ignore those awesome recordings. IMO, the recording quality matters so much more than the sample rate and bit depth (less dynamic compression, better A to D conversion, better use of microphones etc.).
Yet if you ask them to come and watch a movie they jump at the chance. The discipline of listening to music with the same attention span as a movie is foreign to the masses. And this is even surprisingly true for people in my own age bracket who grew up in the 60's/70's. Every now and then I can get them to listen to a favourite piece of theirs and they enjoy it and offer up all kinds of compliments, but....... not enough to get them thinking that having a system dedicated for music is worth it.
Absolutely. Well recorded 44/16 is excellent and sound quality would be advanced far more by focus on recording quality than jacking up sample rates. I keep buying one disappointing 96/24 download after another, and keep coming back to my 44/16 library because that is where the content is.
Agree 100% for me the most important feature is NO SURFACE NOISE noise free music that for ME is very very important.
Andre - Don't take this the wrong way, but the "NO SURFACE NOISE noise free music" is getting old. I understand this is important to you, and I accept that, but vinyl has nothing to hide from and IMO offers sound that is much more engaging. I happen to enjoy both the analog and digital formats available, and I can tell you that both have superb examples of how music can be relayed...they both also have examples on the other side of the coin.
Again for ME i have nothing agains't vinyl but i prefer digital, simply because i could not live with surface noise and that is part of analog playback it's NORMAL, where there is friction there will always be noise, some can live with it others can't, i'm part of the one's that can't SORRY, NO MATTER WICH CLEANING MACHINE YOU USE.
Bruce B
WBF Founding Member, Pro Audio Production Member
On a good turntable that is properly setup, you can not hear surface noise.
That being said, you need to take much greater care of the signal to master for Redbook CD than to a tape or hi-rez file.
Again...you're pushing the issue IMO. Like it's the only thing that matters. FYI - I have plenty of LP's that are sans-noise so I don't buy that argument that all. And for what it's worth, most RBCD sounds like crap. Yeah it's noise free, but where is the music? The sound is there in all its crystal-BRIGHT delivery, but the music is nowhere to be found many times.
It's ok with me if you prefer digital. but surface noise can easily be dealt with. Cleaning issues also causes problems for CD. Cd skipping is nasty.
Look at this video
To save time you can view the dirt microscopically @5:42. The clean record is @7:36, Noise free playback is @8:06.
Look at this video
To save time you can view the dirt microscopically @5:42. The clean record is @7:36, Noise free playback is @8:06.
Who needs CD's? I have not had a harddrive skip in ages. Meanwhile, cheap 1TB solid state storage is imminent.
I mean no offence, Dallas, but if this is the attitude you take, it's no wonder they don't want to come over. You've just got to understand that this is an esoteric hobby that deals in, from the civilian's point of view, insignificant improvements at an outrageous cost. Most of your friends probably think a good midfi stereo system is too expensive, and would not recognize the difference (other than volume the probably don't want) between that and $100k worth of high end. They don't get it. They don't care.
You're asking them to come over and look at your personal obsession and you think they're ignorant for not getting excited about it?
Tim
Unfortunately , this is how it is today, most "audiophiles" are not interested in hearing and or shooting out hi-fi stuff anymore, after extending cash, it's back to listening in a vacuum. I have vinyl , tape, digital and FM tuner for playback, i use all of them, i enjoy all, well except the tape, not enuff good software and in need of refreshing now , so i enjoy the journey..
Digital wins, because of it's ease, Analog wins because of it's sound, I enjoy both, i restrict none to visitors. I have found if i listen to analog for a whole day, the digital sound is obvious, listen to digital for the whole day and analog surface noise is obvious, so what ! I find both enjoyable, ultimately the analog sounds more like the real deal to me, but very few LP's sound good enuff to surpass good digital , so digital wins on supply and ease of use , cost and storage, i dont view it as an either or , why limit yourself.
Regards,
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