Taiko Audio SGM Extreme : the Crème de la Crème

[Taiko Audio]

Emile, is that something you've already tried?

No, in the whole the potential improvement is just too small (relatively) to spend my time on. I have bigger fish to fry

 

[SwissTom]

No, in the whole the potential improvement is just too small (relatively) to spend my time on.

That's quite understandable.

You obviously have better things to do.

And I imagine that the gain would be negligible.

And I suppose it's perfectly possible to limit the traffic on an iPad by setting it up properly , and deleting all the apps apart from Roon and XDMS.

 

[John T]

The Antenna is a screw on device:

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The Wi-Fi operating mode, band and maximum transmitter power can be set in the interface:

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Please forgive my limited capacity with the understanding of this network configuration. As you stated earlier 15Mbps works fine with the remote device, ipad etc. I see by what you have shared here that the transmitter power can be set in the interface. So am I understanding correctly that ALL WiFi will be obliged by this setting? Laptop, TV, any and all WiFi devices? Or can components be individualized? 15Mbps may be fine for the remote device but what about the rest of the network?

 

[steve williams]

And I suppose it's perfectly possible to limit the traffic on an iPad by setting it up properly , and deleting all the apps apart from Roon and XDMS.

Thats exactly what I did a long time ago
I have XDMS, Roon, Qobuz, Tidal and Idagio, TestFlight and Fing as the only apps on my iPad. I keep Discord only on my MBP

 

[Taiko Audio]

Please forgive my limited capacity with the understanding of this network configuration. As you stated earlier 15Mbps works fine with the remote device, ipad etc. I see by what you have shared here that the transmitter power can be set in the interface. So am I understanding correctly that ALL WiFi will be obliged by this setting? Laptop, TV, any and all WiFi devices? Or can components be individualized? 15Mbps may be fine for the remote device but what about the rest of the network?

The idea is to only have 1 device connected to this network, your roon or xdms remote control device which is exclusively used for that purpose. If you start adding more devices all bets are off and you will absolutely need a larger antenna, more transmission power and probably switch to 5G.

 

[Kingsrule]

So my Taiko switch will be located in the basement with all my other audio gear. Probably 35ft and a floor below from my listening room. Right now I do not stream. 15k cd's on my Extreme. I currently operate Roon on my MBPro via the house wifi network. What will be the best way to operate my system when switch arrives?

 

[Taiko Audio]

That's quite understandable.

You obviously have better things to do.

And I imagine that the gain would be negligible.

And I suppose it's perfectly possible to limit the traffic on an iPad by setting it up properly , and deleting all the apps apart from Roon and XDMS.

Yeah some cleaning and tweaking won’t hurt, low data mode, disable location sharing etc. I’m sure there are plenty of resources to be found online on how to minimise network traffic to/from your ipad.

 

[steve williams]

Right now there is some delay in cover art populating in the XDMS app. When you try to look at your albums or artists the art does not appear immediately. I don’t know if that is a device issue or an Extreme to device issue.

Im pretty sure that build 67 fixes that issue.

V66 was never released to alpha users because of a bug

Build 67 comes with a new scanner that also scans for artist art

 

[Taiko Audio]

So my Taiko switch will be located in the basement with all my other audio gear. Probably 35ft and a floor below from my listening room. Right now I do not stream. 15k cd's on my Extreme. I currently operate Roon on my MBPro via the house wifi network. What will be the best way to operate my system when switch arrives?

Is that a concrete floor?

 

[John T]

The idea is to only have 1 device connected to this network, your roon or xdms remote control device which is exclusively used for that purpose. If you start adding more devices all bets are off and you will absolutely need a larger antenna, more transmission power and probably switch to 5G.

Understood...So we set up a 2nd network for the other BS in our homes? 5G not available...

 

[SwissTom]

Please forgive my limited capacity with the understanding of this network configuration. As you stated earlier 15Mbps works fine with the remote device, ipad etc. I see by what you have shared here that the transmitter power can be set in the interface. So am I understanding correctly that ALL WiFi will be obliged by this setting? Laptop, TV, any and all WiFi devices? Or can components be individualized? 15Mbps may be fine for the remote device but what about the rest of the network?

The Taiko Router is designed to be used only with the Taiko Server.


In very concrete terms, the Taiko Router allows you to have a second separated network.

You'll therefore have two networks :


- A home network where you have your computers, TV, etc..

- And a separate small network where there is only the Taiko Server.


This way, all the traffic generated by the home network does not reach the Taiko Server.


Meaning you'll have two WiFi access points :

- the home network, with your computers, TV, etc..

- the one that allows you to control your Taiko Server.

Hope it helps.

 

[steve williams]

The idea is to only have 1 device connected to this network, your roon or xdms remote control device which is exclusively used for that purpose. If you start adding more devices all bets are off and you will absolutely need a larger antenna, more transmission power and probably switch to 5G.

So if this is the path to follow, I have to ask about using XDMS with MacOS on one's laptop.Sometimes when a new build is released to MacOS before iOS I will use my MBP to access XDMS. I have countless apps on my desktop but I honestly don't find the network noisy or slow

 

[John T]

The Taiko Router is designed to be used only with the Taiko Server.


In very concrete terms, the Taiko Router allows you to have two networks :


- A home network where you have your computers, TV, etc..

- And a separate small network where there is only the Taiko Server.


This way, all the traffic generated by the home network does not reach the Taiko Server.


You will therefore have two WiFi access points :

- the home network, with your computers, TV, etc..

- the one that allows you to control your Taiko Server.

Hope it helps.

Now I understand more clearly. Thank you for taking the time in breaking it down so I could understand. Most appreciated...John

 

[John T]

The Taiko Router is designed to be used only with the Taiko Server.


In very concrete terms, the Taiko Router allows you to have a second separated network.

You'll therefore have two networks :


- A home network where you have your computers, TV, etc..

- And a separate small network where there is only the Taiko Server.


This way, all the traffic generated by the home network does not reach the Taiko Server.


Meaning you'll have two WiFi access points :

- the home network, with your computers, TV, etc..

- the one that allows you to control your Taiko Server.

Hope it helps.

I'm sitting here racking my brain and not even recognizing the TWO WiFi access points! What a BONEHEAD!! Thanks again..

 

[steve williams]

I'm sitting here racking my brain and not even recognizing the TWO WiFi access points! What a BONEHEAD!! Thanks again..

That’s the second thing to go John

 

[oldmustang]

Very helpful! Will try it.
But is this a concern? "Music: Automatic downloads and high quality streaming are turned off"

Not unless you download music *to your iPad* and/or use the iPad as the endpoint for streaming "high quality" music. It will not affect the iPad's ability to run the XDMS or Roon control app.

Steve Z

 

[oldmustang]

Understood...So we set up a 2nd network for the other BS in our homes? 5G not available...

I'd suggest leaving your existing home wifi network as is, John. The second network will be the new Taiko router's "TaikoAudio" wifi network. You would only log onto that wifi network with the device you plan to use to control XDMS/Roon.

Steve Z

 

[Kingsrule]

Is that a concrete floor?

yes

 

[Taiko Audio]

yes

I just ran a speedtest on my iphone connecting through the concrete floor from the office upstairs of the listening room which should be similar to your situation:



A 25-30% speed reduction of transfer speed but good ping/jitter, I’d expect it to work just fine with the default antenna / transmission power.

 

[Taiko Audio]

Through a double stone wall and a concrete floor:



This may need a boost in transmission power although Roon still works fine album covers load kind of slow now.