How much is too much?

High end audio has no comparison. You can purchase a new 500k Ferrari and point to extremely rare Ferrari's selling for millions of dollars. You can't point to any such example in audio gear.
Give it time my friend, give it time.
 
To be fair,I have never heard these speakers. What is just enough? 130,000 Eur is a boggling price for any speaker or for that matter any piece of audio equipment by historical standards, that seems to be the norm though. High end audio has no comparison. You can purchase a new 500k Ferrari and point to extremely rare Ferrari's selling for millions of dollars. You can't point to any such example in audio gear.

Perhaps the used-market is the better judge of value. The rare Ferrari appreciates in value. Can anyone give me an example of audio gear that does the same?
 
130,000 eur

Is that correct.......

I read down the comments on the you tube video and there were some complaining about the quality of the sound!

"I have already heard this loudspeaker in milano and i really do not know what make these sso special. when i listened to the genesis 2 by arnie nudell in noticed a much better deeper bass and crystalic clear highs you could hear the msuicans breathing and the loudspeakers dispaered completely. even choral music was no problem. i could identify every signle voice of every human that sung.....

at the grande utopia i couldn't hear anything...... "

You will have that response no matter,but for that price these speakers should at least disappear, mine do and I paid 1900 bucks for them in 1980 and that's the problem. With constant currency devaluation,a worldwide skilled labor shortage and the increasing mega bubble. You can't be positive about true value anymore,everything is so out of whack.

After you read this article you will understand what 130000 euros added to appropriate system and room can give you.

http://www.avguide.com/blog/the-best-system-i-ve-ever-heard-studio-or-perhaps-anywhere
 
I heard my first Tape Project tape in that very room a 1" master played by Paul on his Ampex R2R.

I felt like I was in the "Depens" commercial because I thought I was going to pee my pants

it was killer
 
Perhaps the used-market is the better judge of value. The rare Ferrari appreciates in value. Can anyone give me an example of audio gear that does the same?

If you mean audio gear that appreciates in value, why yes. Marantz 7, Marantz 9, Marantz 2, Marantz 5, and the Marantz 10 tuner to name a few.
 
After you read this article you will understand what 130000 euros added to appropriate system and room can give you.

http://www.avguide.com/blog/the-best-system-i-ve-ever-heard-studio-or-perhaps-anywhere
We've referenced this system before in the forum: again, all the indicators of a system working properly. And one solution to the problem: throw enough somewhat OTT gear into the situation and fiddle to a reasonable extent, and you get the "big" sound. But, of course, there are other ways of getting there ...

What struck me, that I'm curious about, and wondering whether it's been considered at all, is the fact that the R2R mechanism and tapes are open to the air being heavily disturbed when the speakers are driving hard, and though angled away to some degree the tape deck is under direct "attack" from the left hand speaker. Any thoughts or experience with this?

Frank
 
If you mean audio gear that appreciates in value, why yes. Marantz 7, Marantz 9, Marantz 2, Marantz 5, and the Marantz 10 tuner to name a few.

But even those are not market priced like today's high end. A Marantz 9 sold for 1K(?) originally and can be seen on ebay for maybe 10K today. That is 10 times which is fairly priced given the currency devaluation. A Fairchild compressor can sell for 35k to 50k today and cost a fraction of that when new. The Fairchild is sought after as a rare tool in a going recording business,you can justify that somewhat.

The high end market is a bubble flat out......no other way to justify 100K+ for turntables,amplifiers,or speakers. Unless there is 1 pound of gold in that platter or wire,I just can't see it but I don't have the disposable income to spend on such a luxury.
 
I heard my first Tape Project tape in that very room a 1" master played by Paul on his Ampex R2R.

I felt like I was in the "Depens" commercial because I thought I was going to pee my pants

it was killer

Steve,
I still remember the post you wrote at that time - you still were in audiophile shock !
Quoting you in 2008 " (...) in my 38 years involved in this hobby I have just never heard anything as good as this ...NEVER. It was tantamount to being at the symphony and hearing it live. (...)
A short time after I read your comment I became a subscriber of the Tapeproject.
 
Steve,
I still remember the post you wrote at that time - you still were in audiophile shock !
Quoting you in 2008 " (...) in my 38 years involved in this hobby I have just never heard anything as good as this ...NEVER. It was tantamount to being at the symphony and hearing it live. (...)
A short time after I read your comment I became a subscriber of the Tapeproject.


Yup
 
But even those are not market priced like today's high end. A Marantz 9 sold for 1K(?) originally and can be seen on ebay for maybe 10K today. That is 10 times which is fairly priced given the currency devaluation. A Fairchild compressor can sell for 35k to 50k today and cost a fraction of that when new. The Fairchild is sought after as a rare tool in a going recording business,you can justify that somewhat.

The high end market is a bubble flat out......no other way to justify 100K+ for turntables,amplifiers,or speakers. Unless there is 1 pound of gold in that platter or wire,I just can't see it but I don't have the disposable income to spend on such a luxury.

You can emulate the Fairchild for $149
http://www.uaudio.com/store/compressors-limiters/fairchild-670.html

**ducks for cover :) **
 
Diamonds are overpriced. There is a market that is brilliantly manipulated.
 
Perhaps the used-market is the better judge of value. The rare Ferrari appreciates in value. Can anyone give me an example of audio gear that does the same?

You can add LS3/5as, Garrard 301 Grease bearings, NOS and NIB vacuum tubes, Long Body Koetsu carts, original EMT "banana" arms, EMT tables, Walker era Quads, ............

I could actually turn this one around on you. An LS3/5a could still hold it's own against many a mini-monitor today. A Ferrari Barchetta would get smoked on a track by a Honda Civic Type R.
 
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I could actually turn this one around on you. An LS3/5a could still hold it's own against many a mini-monitor today. A Ferrari Barchetta would get smoked on a track by a Honda Civic Type R.

So true ... or a Lancer Evo or a .. Actually , even today's Ferrari should be leery of pocket rockets such as the Subaru WXT ...

On the "Too much" topic. I went the other day to a B&O store and learn that the 65" plasma TV.. A Panasonic dressed in B&O garb and frankly not that great looking (although I find most of B&O designs drop-dead gorgeous ) was $85,000!!!
Some people do go to this store and buy a Panasonic Plasma for $85,000 !!! A case of too much .. It seems Lexicon has been guilty of such with the Lexicon-badged Oppo blu-ray players ..

Cases of too much if you ask me ...
 
So true ... or a Lancer Evo or a .. Actually , even today's Ferrari should be leery of pocket rockets such as the Subaru WXT ...

On the "Too much" topic. I went the other day to a B&O store and learn that the 65" plasma TV.. A Panasonic dressed in B&O garb and frankly not that great looking (although I find most of B&O designs drop-dead gorgeous ) was $85,000!!!
Some people do go to this store and buy a Panasonic Plasma for $85,000 !!! A case of too much .. It seems Lexicon has been guilty of such with the Lexicon-badged Oppo blu-ray players ..

Cases of too much if you ask me ...

Frantz,

As far as I know you are referring to the Beovision 4 103 - but it is a 103" plasma.

The Beovision 4 65 costs around 15000. Perhaps they also have a version with gold frame and a remote with diamonds that I do not know about...
 
i have not looked at all the tv's out there for sure...but i will say i have seen (1 or 2) B&Os that are stunning...and i have NEVER seen a Panasonic match it, the closest was the old Pioneer Kirosura 9th generation. Perhaps Panasonic made the B&O tv...but i have not seen a Panasonic-labeled tv match it. There is one B&O that has nothing but a big black picture frame around it...stunning. i used to like Loewe plasma tv's from Germany as well...but i have been disappointed by their latest generation of Loewe TVs.
 
How about Vertu? A 20th century Nokia all tarted up. THAT makes my skin crawl.
 
I could actually turn this one around on you. An LS3/5a could still hold it's own against many a mini-monitor today.

"Some" mini monitors? Sure. A Ferrari among mini monitors? It wouldn't stand a chance. The old BBC monitors are good, but they were out-classed long ago.

Tim
 
Sonus Faber "weighs" in with a 636lbs each @200K entry in the mega speaker derby. Even they are embarrassed by the price and promise a trickle down version very soon.


" As we speak [read/write] the brand new Guarnen Evolution is on the way to us at a price 1/10th that of The Sonus Faber. "Tas October 2011p.118 Manufacturer Comment.
 

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