Reality is Cruel : Cybershaft new Ultimate OCXO 10M Clocks Shootout OP20 vs OP17

[TLi]

Clock cables make a difference. You are right to audition before buying. Nowadays, many dealers provide demo cables on loan for home audition. You can ask for it.

 

[drunkenspyder]

Clock cables make a difference. You are right to audition before buying. Nowadays, many dealers provide demo cables on loan for home audition. You can ask for it.

Oh yeah, my dealer will definitely do that, but I like the idea of getting out of the house once in a while.

 

[TLi]

Oh yeah, my dealer will definitely do that, but I like the idea of getting out of the house once in a while.

Use courier service

 

[drunkenspyder]

Use courier service

That's not the issue, at least not for me, anyway; we don't lack for delivery options around here. I actually want to go to the dealer location and, given that I have adequate clock cables here at home for familiarization purposes, I am in no rush.

 

[SCAudiophile]

I just completed my order with Cybershaft for an OP21A to go with my Vivaldi stack. Looking forward to this.

Congratulations....I think you will enjoy what the OP21A will do for your system very much!

 

[drunkenspyder]

Congratulations....I think you will enjoy what the OP21A will do for your system very much!

Thank you very much. I am looking forward to getting into my system.

 

[Patatorz]

Hello, just ordered one op21 with the external psu and kryna spikes. In fact there was some new options for the op21 : option D. Cybershaft is proposing the op21 without internal psu for the ones who want to use the external one from cybershaft. Let’s see all it would improve versus my actual Paul Pang feeding the vivaldi clock and the uptone etherregen.

 

[Patatorz]

The Mutec REF10 SE-120 has arrived! It is put to do service and a two weeks burn in period has started.

Hello, I was looking on mutec website about the SE-120 and found nothing. Is it an upgrade of the REF10 ? What kind of upgrade ?

 

[JaMo]

Hello, I was looking on mutec website about the SE-120 and found nothing. Is it an upgrade of the REF10 ? What kind of upgrade ?

The Mutec REF 10 SE-120 isn't officially released yet. It is a REF 10 with a higher spec. Oscillator -120dBc/1Hz, jitter ~15 fs/1-100Hz (std. -116dBc/1Hz, jitter 22 fs/1-100Hz). The units referred to in this thread are preproduction units. Mutec said they had plans to do an official release Q2 this year- But this was said before the Covid 19 problems. So I don't know now. When it will be released it will have a different print on the front plates. Our preproduction units looks "standard" except for a ground/earth post screw on the back and the full name REF 10 SE-120 with its serial number printed on the box and on the badge on the bottom plate of the unit.
/Jan

 

[Patatorz]

Thanks a lot JaMo for the clarification : helps a lot.i understand with the covid that all the plans have been shaken. According to you between pre-production and final release units, do you think that specification could change ? Any reason why the final versions should perform better ?

 

[JaMo]

Thanks a lot JaMo for the clarification : helps a lot.i understand with the covid that all the plans have been shaken. According to you between pre-production and final release units, do you think that specification could change ? Any reason why the final versions should perform better ?

No change of performance. Just looks. I have no idea of how the ordinary REF 10 performs...But my SE-120 is the best buy ever for me. I also use the Mutec MC3+USB as DDC and reclocker fed by the SE-120. Stunning performance!
/Jan

 

[XCop5089]

I purchased a Mutec Ref 10 in August 2019 via my UK dealer, Coherent Systems.

My dealer sent my Ref 10 back to Mutec three weeks ago and I received the upgraded 120SE back, a week ago. A two week turn around is very good, considering that it had to go from the UK to Germany, be fitted with a completely new board (they have modified the regulators too) containing the new, larger 120SE oscillator and was checked and tested prior to dispatch.

After a week of settling down in my system, I am pleased to report that the upgrade is well worth the effort and expenditure, in the context of a dCS Vivaldi full stack digital front end.

I have a black Ref 10 and it was returned with a certificate of upgrade from Mutec. The nomenclature on the new 120SE model has been changed and there is now a casework ground screw connection on the rear.

 

[Patatorz]

Any information of the upgrade price ?

 

[musicfirst1]

I should receive my REF10 120SE this week. I'll compare to my REF10 and get back to the group. I use three MC3+s in my reference system as well. The incremental differences with each MC3+, while diminishing, are significant. Haven't tried four (yet), but there are those that do.

 

[XCop5089]

Any information of the upgrade price ?

My UK dealer charged me £1895 for the upgrade. I originally paid £2895 for my Ref 10, so it has cost me £4800 in total.

I believe that the SE-120 model new price is £4895 for UK-based customers, via Tony Sallis, at Coherent Systems.

https://coherent-systems.co.uk/mutec-ref-10-se-120

 

[BMCG]

My UK dealer charged me £1895 for the upgrade. I originally paid £2895 for my Ref 10, so it has cost me £4800 in total.

I believe that the SE-120 model new price is £4895 for UK-based customers, via Tony Sallis, at Coherent Systems.

https://coherent-systems.co.uk/mutec-ref-10-se-120

Echoing much of what XCop said, Tony dropped off my SE-120 last Saturday....noting - at a suitable social distance - that he had another 6 or so deliveries to follow.

Am still evaluating the impact...I am slow to reach definitive conclusions...preferring to mull/reflect and challenge the cognitive dissonance/bias that all too often impacts my first impressions...

Notwithstanding that caveat, so far the boost to micro detail rivals that I experienced when auditioning both the Stute Abendrodt and CH Precision T1....YMMV....

 

[JaMo]

For me the REF 10 SE-120 started to really shine after about three weeks of continuous power on. I have a month now and the performance last week has been nothing short of magic.

 

[drunkenspyder]

My OP21A arrived two days ago, well packaged and with an active Sanitization Keep Barrier Badge thoughtfully tucked inside, along with an additional gift of one in its sealed pouch [thank you, Kenji-san]. Both the clock and the power supply come with well-written detailed user manuals, and the certification report on the clock is very detailed. It took less than ten minutes to replace the standard feet with the Kryna spike isolation feet on both boxes, cap the unused outputs, connect the PSU to the clock, and to connect the OP21A to my Vivaldi Clock and 24/7 power. The Vivaldi locked on immediately. And they've been running since. Kenji-san estimates 96% OCXO performance within 2-3 days. No critical listening yet; just enjoying the music.

 

[musicfirst1]

My REF10 120SE arrived today. I will burn it in and report back.

Disclaimer, I am the Canadian Distributor of the MUTEC gear, but I was a fan long before that.

Kerry

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[QuadDiffuser]

More info provided by Coherent Systems:
https://www.coherent-systems.co.uk/mutec-ref-10-se-120